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Goodbye Monarchy, as is

458 replies

Poopoolittlerabbit · 14/11/2022 00:00

that’s it really. I’m not fussed about the ‘king’ -
happy to downgrade the entire system.
the jewels, the palaces, the changing of the guard belong to the country, and/or people … if Charles buggers off we keep all the tourist attractions, and all that people say makes the royal family worth while ££
now the Queen has gone, the ‘firm’ needs to go
done with them. AIBU?

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MissMarpleRocks · 16/11/2022 13:51

Allegedly £/$12 million. I’ve not see the amount confirmed. However yes I would advised clients to settle for vast amounts in the past if I’ve thought it advisable. Whatever you think of the man not much he hasn’t been found guilty except by public opinion.

Anyway some of the posts on here are getting to close to defamation.

TheKeatingFive · 16/11/2022 13:55

Personally I've never come across anyone who had to shell out 12 million in hush money just for being a bit off an arsehole, but I guess I live and learn. They're probably everywhere.

😵 😵 😵

MissMarpleRocks · 16/11/2022 13:59

Has 12 million been confirmed? It’s been speculated on but not confirmed. I doubt it was anywhere near that amount tbh. Max £5 million I’d say. To make something go away if client had the money? Well yes I would advise it for a foreign jurisdiction.

TheKeatingFive · 16/11/2022 14:06

Has 12 million been confirmed?

Reported across multiple sources, in U.K. media and across the world, often without any caveats at all (some Telegraph reporting just stated it baldly as fact).

And never corrected by the palace. You'd think, given the can of worms such a large sum opened (would he tap up the Queen for it, what funds would she use to pay it?), then if it was 5 million, they would moved quickly to shut that conversation down. A simple press correction.

MissMarpleRocks · 16/11/2022 14:11

No I don’t think they would actually. But you are entitled to your opinion & me to mine.

Now if you were to ask me my opinion on Prince Andrew himself, my answer would be that he is of dubious moral character with dubious friends.

But that wouldn’t be relevant to the advice I would give him as a client. It’s my duty to do the best for my client. If he thinks he settled at too high a price then it’s for him to take up with his legal team. Its not an admission of guilt to settle whatever anyone on MN thinks.

MissMarpleRocks · 16/11/2022 14:12

Anyway I’m off to rest now as I have walking pneumonia & need my afternoon nap. I never even knew it was a blooming thing!

TheKeatingFive · 16/11/2022 14:19

Its not an admission of guilt to settle whatever anyone on MN thinks.

Not technically no, but when vast sums of money have changed hands, well, most people won't interpret that action as the outcome of an innocent action that ran into bad luck.

vera99 · 16/11/2022 15:08

MissMarpleRocks · 16/11/2022 13:42

I wasn’t aware Prince Andrew had been found guilty in a court of law. I hope some of you never get to serve on a jury.

Prince Andrew would have no doubt been advised to settle a civil case like thousands of others just to make it go away & to save costs. I know I have done the same for clients as it’s often cheaper, usually quicker & therefore less stressful for the client. And that’s in the UK.

If I was acting for someone who’d had a case against him in a foreign jurisdiction I’d have been negligent not to advise the same. A client would be foolhardy not to settle.

hmm ... the votes are in and the people have spoken. So if it's all a case of paying to stop the bother why have the RF stripped him of all his titles and ranks and put him under virtual house arrest and he hasn't cooperated with FBI enquiries? Good luck with that defence.

Poopoolittlerabbit · 16/11/2022 15:15

‘Has 12 million been confirmed? It’s been speculated on but not confirmed. I doubt it was anywhere near that amount tbh. Max £5 million I’d say.’

just the £5mill you say? Ok that’s okay then. Deffo not an example of privilege buying its way out of trouble then, my bad. That could have been any of us…

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wordler · 16/11/2022 17:42

You've got to think of the Monarchy as a much bigger institution than the (current) Royal Family.

To move to a republic from a constitutional monarchy is a big complicated project (the work of years if not decades). It's not just about retiring the House of Windsor. It's creating a whole new head-of-state system, detangling the monarchy from the legal system, armed forces, currency, government, historical buildings, land, new stewardship of current Crown properties etc. Will require a lot of money and effort to rework everything and deal with the historical legacy of a thousand year old institution.

Now that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.

But for any political party to attempt that they are going to need unwavering support from the majority of the people, support for the cost and upheaval over many years, support for whatever head of state system is put into place. It's a process that will require thousands of different decisions in all sorts of different parts of UK life - some small and cosmetic, some big and tough choices.

Again it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done just because it will be expensive, difficult and take a long time. Once it's done, it's then done for good. We only need to do it once.

But if you think Brexit was divisive and a political millstone for both individual politicians and parties then this would be on a whole other scale.

You'd need a very strong, confident party in power with the assurance of a big majority of the country behind them to start and follow it through.

There are nowhere near the numbers for that. And while younger people are usually more republican than older people - the interesting thing is how more conservative (small c) people become when they are older. Even if a little momentum is kept with the younger people who currently have anti-monarchy sentiments to get to the type of majority which would be able to carry this through, you are talking many decades before that is viable.

Mamamia7962 · 16/11/2022 17:45

Looking forward to the Coronation next year.

cakeorwine · 16/11/2022 17:56

Mamamia7962 · 16/11/2022 17:45

Looking forward to the Coronation next year.

And that will be the last family gathering on the balcony for while....

Poopoolittlerabbit · 16/11/2022 19:32

‘Looking forward to the Coronation next year.’

another step closer to reform. It’s
going to be tough for many people
to watch all that sickening inherited wealth in show while they struggle to heat their homes, and look after their families.

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FlowerArranger · 16/11/2022 19:50

What @wordler said.

Given all the many serious problems our country is currently dealing with, abolishing the monarchy must be WAY down the list.

I expect KC will slim it down considerably and cull many of the peripheral duties of the royals, and this'll continue under William.

Who knows what the situation and public sentiment will be by the time it's George's turn. I suspect most of us won't be around at that time...

Poopoolittlerabbit · 16/11/2022 21:36

‘Given all the many serious problems our country is currently dealing with, abolishing the monarchy must be WAY down the list.’

yeah, I mean who needs democracy. None of our problems have been caused by having rich, privileged, out of touch people in charge.

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Blossomtoes · 16/11/2022 21:55

None of our problems have been caused by having rich, privileged, out of touch people in charge.

They all have. And we voted every single one of those people into parliament.

Poopoolittlerabbit · 17/11/2022 05:49

‘They all have. And we voted every single one of those people into parliament.’

No we didn’t. I didn’t. And we have an opposition for a reason. Can you imagine the shit show WITHOUT any kid of opposition?
and you massively underestimate the power of unelected privileged…

is this another argument for the end of democracy in the U.K.??? There were plenty of Brits, our Royal family included, who admired both Nazi Germany and the facists.

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Poopoolittlerabbit · 17/11/2022 06:13

Seems like you might be right up there with them - how is an unelected hereditary millionaire better than a democrat where people vote for their representatives and not only that can BE one of those representatives.
it’s not like there’s any chance of any of us getting to have a shot at being King…

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Basketballqueen · 17/11/2022 09:17

Seems Prince William supporting England over Wales in football might prove the most controversial thing in a while!

derxa · 17/11/2022 09:38

Basketballqueen · 17/11/2022 09:17

Seems Prince William supporting England over Wales in football might prove the most controversial thing in a while!

yep A total mistake

derxa · 17/11/2022 09:39

it’s not like there’s any chance of any of us getting to have a shot at being King… Thank God

Blossomtoes · 17/11/2022 10:57

derxa · 17/11/2022 09:39

it’s not like there’s any chance of any of us getting to have a shot at being King… Thank God

Amen to that. An elected president would just mean another rich, privileged, out of touch person as figurehead head of state.

OhCrumbsWhereNow · 17/11/2022 11:09

Actually most of the palaces and the jewels are private property and do not belong to the state.

TheKeatingFive · 17/11/2022 11:43

Actually most of the palaces and the jewels are private property and do not belong to the state.

Thats not true. Only Balmoral and Sandringham are private. The vast majority of the jewel collection is not private either

Basketballqueen · 17/11/2022 20:40

‘Actually most of the palaces and the jewels are private property and do not belong to the state.’

that’s not true. Besides a lot of the jewel don’t belong to us OR the royals… do they?