Prince Andrew taken back into the fold this weekend.

[Wishiwasinmalta]

AIBU or will the popularity of the RF drop like a lead balloon if they keep on doing this?

I should have said It would have been seen as rather than it was me 'calling rape

Sorry I’m not really sure what your Oi in by is?

unless it’s that men presented with underage girls at parties held by convicted sex offenders should assume the girks ‘want it’ because that’s how they present?

I think most folk with a basic level of intelligence would acknowledge that is ludicrous.

*Sorry I’m not really sure what your point is?

But it wasn’t an official event . Are you suggesting he never set foot out of the house again ? He shouldn’t see friends and family ?
There’s a big difference between official events and private ones .

Exactly. The settlement was negotiated pretty quickly after David Boies (Guiffres lawyer) suggested that he may call Meghan to testify as apparently she would tell the truth .....😂

I dont believe a word of that, what would Meghan know?

The reality is, I came on to those men. I told them I wanted sex with them. I didn't want sex, I wanted love, care, affection.

I had no other way of asking for that.

It was not their fault that I had been so mentally messed up I could not distinguish love/care from casual sex.

It wasn't my fault either. I did what I needed to do to survive. But yes, my parents have some responsibility for seeing love as conditional on pleasing others. Not their intention, but that is what I learnt from my early years

And I would love to know what he and other members of the Royal Family thought of her .

So it was a shooting party 🙄

Nonsense! I have never liked PA with his arrogance and posturing and his dodgy deals etc but I do believe in fairness and justice.

You have consistently used this thread to peddle all the shit you have read in the media and you don't know what is true and what isn't. Neither do I, and neither do any of us. And WTF did this "rich, white" narrative come from?? Only you.

I've seen people's lives destroyed by gossip and lies. I will never be party to that no matter who the person is.

I was never completely convinced about VG, but then I didn't have to be. Finding out that she has lied about someone else really undermines the credibility of all of her other allegations.

So I can see it is possible that VG seemed willing - seemed to want - to have sex with PA, even though she was trafficked and felt obliged to have sex with him

It was not their fault that I had been so mentally messed up I could not distinguish love/care from casual sex.

Nope. It is their fault if you were trafficked, for taking advantage, and the law is clear on this. A trafficked person cannot consent, no matter how sexually available they are making themselves out to be.

I would LOVE to know what Meghan Sussex thinks of Andrew York.

She is very friendly with Eugenie, as is Harry. Maybe she has first hand information about what Andrew is really like.

Hmm , I don’t think MM would have wanted to testify given the rumours about her past .

And were you trafficked for sex as Guiffre was?

So I can see it is possible that VG seemed willing - seemed to want - to have sex with PA, even though she was trafficked and felt obliged to have sex with him

It doesn't matter how willing she 'seemed'. Her consent was not legally possible.

He wasn't at the public acts of remembrance and, going against the flow, can I say that it is the 40th anniversary of the Falklands conflict in which he served. We used to know people who served alongside him and their opinion was he was odious on land but he was exemplary in the air flying helicopters, no special treatment. I'm sure he had his own memories of losses from those days.

I suspect a large part of Meghan and Harry leaving was Meghan’s refusal to bring her child up in a family associated with sex offenders (and racists)

but of course they can’t really say that. So instead they’re publicly vilified whilst the family of sex offender supporters and racists carry on with overwhelming public support.

bonkers

can you imagine if someone posted on here ‘AIBU to want to distance myself from my DH family? I’m mixed race and we’re having a baby. They have a history of making racist comments, his relative wore a racist broach to a recent family party and his uncle insists on bringing his close friend (a convicted child sex offender) to family parties. AIBU?’

I doubt there would be quite so many folk championing the Uncle’s POV in a non- Royal scenario.

Meghan tell the truth, there's a novelty. Isn't the accuser beginning to retract some of her accustions, she mis-remembered conveniently.

I wasn't underage, and nor was VG.

Why would a man assume I was trafficked or abused? There are no physical symptoms. I seemed like a normal young woman in her late teens who wanted sex with them.

It was because I was desperately looking for love and affection and believed that sex was the way to achieve that.

That was because I had been groomed and abused, but didn't - at that point - realise that.

I blame my abuser. I don't blame the men who were happy to believe my statements about wanting to have sex with them.

To be clear, I think PA is an arrogant, entitled, obnoxious person. But not that he has necessarily broken the law

What ‘shit’ have I peddled @Canthave2manycats ?

it is FACT that PA chose to maintain a longstanding friendship with a convicted child sex offender and attend parties held by that sex offender where underage girls were trafficked.

that is neither supposition nor speculation. It is fact admitted by PA and supported by flight logs and witness testimony.

you may think that activity is unproblematic and that’s fine.
but it is not shit peddled by the media.

and if you’re trying to deny that Andrew or Epstein are neither rich nor white, that is quite frankly bizarre! If you’re trying to suggest that being a powerful rich white man affords no advantages, then that is equally odd.

at least attempt to get your facts straight

It is 100% the fault of the traffickers, but only legally guilty for the person having sex if they could reasonably be expected to know the woman was trafficked

I wasn't underage, and nor was VG.

VG was trafficked and the law is clear that, as such, she could not consent.

In your case, it may not have been so clear cut. In hers it was.

It is 100% the fault of the traffickers, but only legally guilty for the person having sex if they could reasonably be expected to know the woman was trafficked

Ignorance is no legal defence for Andrew

So many people do not understand either the law or the reality of trafficking.