Prince Andrew taken back into the fold this weekend.

[Wishiwasinmalta]

AIBU or will the popularity of the RF drop like a lead balloon if they keep on doing this?

He’s not been convicted of anything

that’s not quite the same thing.

but you’re right. I can understand that his close relatives would overlook his problematic choices.

I find it odd that so many strangers want to defend a rich bloke’s right to consort with a sex offender though 🤷‍♀️

He's their dad/uncle/brother etc. He's not committed a crime (don't argue, he's done nothing illegal)

That cool 12 million is just so damn unfortunate though, isn't it? Imagine having to cough that up having done nothing illegal?

@Sigma33 Do you believe what you are saying?
If you really do, go away and read basic information about rape and sex trafficking. The law does not agree with your 1950s views.

Well yes.

As I said, if there's a large age/attractiveness gap then that's worrying.

But then, there are genuine relationships with a large age gap. My parents had a 14 year age gap, 2 children and were each others self-described 'best friend' for 40 years until my father died.

😂😂

so unfortunate!

could happen to anyone I guess 🤷‍♀️

I think you may be confused. Or possibly you’re deliberately trying to muddle the issue to make this out like people are ‘slut shaming’ teen girls for having sex and insisting they should only have sex in long term relationships. So I’ll be really clear.

Women should absolutely be free to be sex positive and should be able to have sex when they want.

Men in positions of privilege should not and must not seek out vulnerable or trafficked teens who they will have sex with and then pay off to the tune of a huge amount of money. It is wrong for grown men to have sex with vulnerable or trafficked teenage girls. This is not sex positivity.

could happen to anyone I guess

Oh absolutely. There but for the grace of god goes any one of us.

😂

Please explain?

My understanding of the law is that any offenders need to have a reasonable belief that someone is underaged or trafficked?

If someone appears to have the capacity to consent then it is reasonable to believe their apparent consent?

So?
I’m honestly struggling to see your point and you seem unable to comprehend anything outside of your own direct experience

unless your mum was an abused teenager sex trafficked by a criminal and your dad was a powerful wealthy bloke who met her by befriending a child sex offender, I’m really struggling to see the relevance of your parents relationship to PA and VG?

you realise that she wasn’t building a civil case based on their age gap right?

its puzzling to me that you can’t grasp the differences.

Did your father traffic your mother when he was middle aged and she was a teenage girl? Did he then pay her off so she wouldn’t tell people about it? If so, it’s incomparable and irrelevant.

Agreed 100%.

But is there evidence that PA was 'seeking out vulnerable or trafficked teens'?

Unless you’re saying your dad was a bloke in his 40s who sought out teenaged girls provided by a sex offender.

in which case, yes that is problematic no matter how ‘best friends’ they became a

But is there evidence that PA was 'seeking out vulnerable or trafficked teens'?

Well he was hanging out with the right people to get access to them, that's for sure.

Well he befriended a convicted child sex offender and attended multiple parties where that sex offender brought teenaged girls.

so yes.
why else would he actively make that choice?

Well he had sex with one.

Bit like asking if there’s any evidence I bought jelly beans at Asda when I’m holding an Asda bag with jelly beans and an Asda receipt for jelly beans inside.

IIRC one of the girls was charged with being a ‘madam’ - forgive me for not using the right wording - despite being under age herself 😡. The charges were dropped but this led to her being excluded from support groups for teen mums as she was deemed a threat - despite her pregnancy being the result of a rape of an underage girl. This happened in modern day Britain.

And we're still waiting for that FBI interview he promised but didn't do yet.

Well, it seems my experiences of grooming and abuse don't fit the accepted narrative. It was empowering for me to see my need to please men sexually, and recognise I don't have to do that.

I was a victim, but was conditioned to behave in ways that further victimised me. Healing meant changing those behaviours.

But that doesn't fit the victim narrative, so I am bowing out.

You all know so much better than I do, as someone groomed and abused

Police and social workers were saying that girls as young as 13 were 'engaging in prostitution as a lifestyle choice'.

The sheer mendacity of that should never be forgotten.

As opposed to you, who knows so much better than the victim of THIS SPECIFIC EVENT!!

If you had started a thread about how you came to terms with what had happened to you, nobody would be saying you ‘didn’t fit the victim narrative.’ But nobody wants to hear the devil’s advocate talking about how some teen girls ask for it and that’s why men sleep with them.

Perhaps we just recognise that your personal opinion on grooming and abuse is not legally or morally representative of all situations?

you seem to be struggling to separate many aspects of you personal experiences from the different realities in this case.
take care.

£3m actually.

£3m actually.

Source?

Source for the £12 million??

Fact - PA stupidly/arrogantly/foolishly maintained a friendship with JE, a convicted paedophile. I don't think one person posting here has suggested that this was anything other than disgusting/ill-judged/wildly inappropriate/unreasonable/unacceptable, etc etc etc.

All of the rest? Speculation, with no physical evidence.

Plus, how many people settle legal cases on the basis that they will cost more to run? None of us has access to PA's legal advice!