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To be actually angry Matt Hancock is on I'm a Celebrity

201 replies

Lex345 · 10/11/2022 07:01

I can't actually believe the bare faced brass for him to be on the programme.

I was a manager of a care home during the height of the pandemic. I remember the outright lies he personally broadcast to the nation. How he told everyone there was a "protective ring" around care homes when we couldn't even buy PPE. How they said that tests were available for people living in care homes when this just wasn't true. How the policy was to discharge to care homes from hospitals.
How over 300 pieces of guidance were released in just 2 months. How a conscious decision was made to finslly allow care home staff to wear masks at 1130pm on a friday night. How we were left to send masks in taxis to other care managers in outbreak because none could be got. How our normal PPE suppliers were told to divert stock to the NHS. How my staff couldn't buy basic groceries because they were routinely told they were not "essential workers"

I have so many painful memories from the early days of the pandemic. I won't share them, I don't want to trigger anyone as I understand everyone had it hard and has experienced awful things. But suffice to say I was so traumatised by what happened, I have left nursing as a profession. My heart is broken. I literally have a montage of the worst bits I think about every day.

To see this man parading on TV, laughing and joking, earning an obscene amount of money for frivolty whilst nurses are striking for a fair pay rise after all of his very public failings that cost people's lives, all the while when he is supposed to be serving his constituents during a cost of living crisis makes me so angry.

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Greenshake · 10/11/2022 23:11

He cannot be sacked.

VanCleefArpels · 10/11/2022 23:15

FayeGovan · 10/11/2022 22:23

Even boy George seems to be talking to him. Has he lost his mind??
I dont get it. Peacecand harmony is one thing but they are letting that fuckwit away with what he did.

You know Boy George did time in prison for seriously assaulting a sex worker in his home don’t you? One might ask why the other camp mates are talking to HIM.

So much hypocrisy

FayeGovan · 10/11/2022 23:16

Mege2 · 10/11/2022 22:23

Are you talking about the campmates?

Who else w thectalk of bullies ould i be talking about???

And all the talk of bullies and nasty tones. Do yourselves a favour and be quiet.

Greenshake · 10/11/2022 23:22

@FayeGovan it’s a public forum. People don’t need to “be quiet” if you don’t agree with them.

Foronenightonly22 · 10/11/2022 23:54

He’s a horrible mix of arrogance, pomposity and stupidity. Vile little creep.

Don’t want it but I loved reading about Mike Tindall’s bull shit comments.

Mege2 · 11/11/2022 01:40

User438651209 · 10/11/2022 22:56

Lots of people that were probably school bullies on this thread

Yes and they stick out like a sore thumb 🤣

Mege2 · 11/11/2022 01:41

FayeGovan · 10/11/2022 23:16

Who else w thectalk of bullies ould i be talking about???

And all the talk of bullies and nasty tones. Do yourselves a favour and be quiet.

Are you drunk?

Mege2 · 11/11/2022 01:44

Billstopay · 10/11/2022 22:42

@Mege2 i was one of those people who lost a close family member with no hospital visits allowed. I do not blame Matt Hancock for that personally. The person was elderly with underlying health conditions.

The hysteria here is ridiculous but then again, this is MN with its ever changing narrative.

And you have tagged me because???

Billstopay · 11/11/2022 07:10

Because you quoted me earlier.

bottomsup33 · 11/11/2022 07:16

I don't think one man should shoulder the mistakes of the whole government however he clearly made some huge fuck ups personally, has proven himself to be immoral and I think it's incredibly unfair for all those who suffered and lost someone during covid to have to see him every night on an entertainment show. Anyone who has been in the jungle says it's an amazing experience, he doesn't deserve it. The only way he could even slightly begin to redeem himself would be to donate his fees to the NHS.

Aside from all that he's a very awkward person to watch. He doesn't have natural charisma and all this 'I want to show the public who I really am' business is going to backfire because who he is isn't great even when you discount all the political fuck ups.

It's a bad move by ITV I think.

ImAvingOops · 11/11/2022 07:26

I don't think all the mistakes were MAtt Hancocks', but he was the Health Secretary and he is the one directly profiting from the notoriety of his mistakes. I don't think it's bullying to point that out or to say he shouldn't be there.
Most people, if they decided to skip work for 3 weeks without the permission of their employer and be completely uncontactable during that time, would face serious consequences - MH consequences appear to be a £400,000 cheque! How is that right or fair?

MrsDoyle351 · 11/11/2022 07:33

Completely and wholeheartedly agree with the OP. Started a thread on here a few days ago about the same thing.

Interesting that 17% believe you are being unreasonable!

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 11/11/2022 07:46

I think that the programme makers are responsible.
He is clearly an arse. Everyone knows that.
Always watched the jungle but I'm out on this year.

dayswithaY · 11/11/2022 08:27

I can see where this is going. Hancock will do every trial, and like last night, will do his best to get all the stars. He is desperate to please the camp so he will push himself and face his fears.

This will be framed by ITV as his “journey” and the fickle British public will see him as a lovable idiot who may have had some bother as Health Minister, but he’s all right really. He’ll get to the final, bond with the camp mates, have some quotable moments around the fire and be moved to tears by a letter from his kids.

He will emerge as a nerdy, harmless comedy character, his past will be forgiven/forgotten. Job done.

DeborahVance · 11/11/2022 08:35

dayswithaY · 11/11/2022 08:27

I can see where this is going. Hancock will do every trial, and like last night, will do his best to get all the stars. He is desperate to please the camp so he will push himself and face his fears.

This will be framed by ITV as his “journey” and the fickle British public will see him as a lovable idiot who may have had some bother as Health Minister, but he’s all right really. He’ll get to the final, bond with the camp mates, have some quotable moments around the fire and be moved to tears by a letter from his kids.

He will emerge as a nerdy, harmless comedy character, his past will be forgiven/forgotten. Job done.

Unfortunately I think you are absolutely right

VickyEadieofThigh · 11/11/2022 08:57

FirstnameSuesecondnamePerb · 11/11/2022 07:46

I think that the programme makers are responsible.
He is clearly an arse. Everyone knows that.
Always watched the jungle but I'm out on this year.

It's a favourite programme in our house but we're not watching - because Hancock makes us queasy.

Boy George served a prison sentence and community service for his offence; Hancock has got off scot-free.

Mydpisgrumpierthanyours · 11/11/2022 09:11

Tbh I'm having fun voting for him to do all the trials. It's making me feel as if I'm getting back at the Torys.
However I dont think he should be in there and I think hes put the other celebrities in a VERY awkward situation just be being there.

VanCleefArpels · 11/11/2022 09:20

@VickyEadieofThigh what crime has MH committed exactly?

I’m absolutely certain that the Covid enquiry will demonstrate that nothing was black and white during the height of the pandemic, that people were- collectively and individually- working on little evidence and predictions based on minimal data and fundamentally trying to do the best they could. All these comments against MH you’d think he was acting alone and of his own volition. It’s ridiculous hyperbole and dies t help any debate which might improve his future pandemics are handled

Rhondaa · 11/11/2022 09:41

I think MH is coming across well. Yes he's no social charmer like drunk driver McPartlin, 'I used to be fat' Moyles, abusive Boy George or Eileen off Corrie. He seems a bit nerdy but his partnership with Walsh, equally demonised by the media is quite funny.

Ant and Dec look like a pair of twats here tbh clearly wanting outrage and hate and not really getting that much.

Christmaslover2022 · 11/11/2022 09:49

ArcticSkewer · 10/11/2022 09:37

Don't really get all the anger, personally.

I seem to remember a different pandemic, one where the general public were pretty much ready to lynch anyone who coughed and would have happily sealed most people into their houses for 3 months if it meant they themselves might be safe. You get what you deserve from your politicians, in general. Very few people at the time were in favour of schools staying open, the elderly taking up hospital beds that might be needed for the middle aged, scarce resources being diverted to carehomes etc

I'm with you. Yes, mistakes were made but overall I didn't think they handled it too badly given the circumstances. It's way more complicated than we know about and think. Of course most people on here could do better apparently! I'm not justifying his behaviour at all, but how many of you can honestly say you didn't break any rules? Not even once, no matter how small? Because most people I know broke the rules so therefore imo are not much better than the government!

Capri3 · 11/11/2022 10:15

Christmaslover2022 · 11/11/2022 09:49

I'm with you. Yes, mistakes were made but overall I didn't think they handled it too badly given the circumstances. It's way more complicated than we know about and think. Of course most people on here could do better apparently! I'm not justifying his behaviour at all, but how many of you can honestly say you didn't break any rules? Not even once, no matter how small? Because most people I know broke the rules so therefore imo are not much better than the government!

This.

I remember in Nov 2020 when everything was shut down apart from schools and supermarkets to try to “save Christmas” and stop the Kent variant. There were loads of “fuck what Boris said I’m still seeing friends/family etc” threads. Also a thread where the OP was shocked that The Range was open and most of the replies were thanking her for letting them know, and saying that they were “going there for a mooch”. Covid rates soared, and we ended up being totally locked down again in Jan 21.

ImAvingOops · 11/11/2022 11:18

There's a big difference between mistakes made because he didn't know better and choices actively made when he did!
My kids have missed formative experiences - DS was supposed to be at uni and like thousands of other young people was shit in the house remote learning. There was no love life or social life for him. He didn't have the luxury of working with a girlfriend (and paying her from the public purse). Hancock's 'I fell in love' is vomit inducing.
I agreed with lockdown, felt it was necessary and I expected the Health Secretary to obey his own rules!

ImAvingOops · 11/11/2022 11:20

Shit? Don't know where that came from. I must type it a lot of that's my autocorrect 😁. Should say 'stuck'

Definitelycross · 11/11/2022 11:25

Of course we have all made mistakes

But

He was in a very high position of power - and told us the rules, whilst not following them.

He also, while not following them, was caught cheating on his wife - definitely not social distancing.

He gave his girlfriend's (god that sounds like school 🙄) brother a multi million pound contract, despite having no experience.

He is currently a sitting MP who is being paid to look after his constituents but instead is earning allegedly £400k. Whilst the nurses who worked their backsides off are striking for better

Judging by the responses in here, ITV and MH have done a spectacular job of rebranding Homs as an affable geezer you'd go for a drink with.

No, he isn't solely responsible for Covid but he had a very high post of trust, alongside others, and he broke it.

The argument that he was not solely responsible is not the reason people are angry. We know there are others who are responsible but they're not on tv trying to be loved by the British public by eating spiders.

The argument that Boy George is as bad is one I don't understand either. BG served his sentence, he paid for what he did. The argument about the poor sex worker's family watching I totally get and I feel for them.
But MH fucked over a lot more than one person and their family. And yes the enquiry will bring a lot of things to light, but until it does I think him being on this show is so tasteless it's unreal.

MH is getting a free (paid) pass and it feels like him being covered in slime will be his sentence.

He's not a loveable rogue, he's a conniving, lying, morally corrupt man.

The next step would be having Mr Johnston back on Have I Got News For You.

Don't fall for it. His contempt for all of us was evident during the pandemic. Making an arse of himself now will never make up for that.

Definitelycross · 11/11/2022 11:25

ImAvingOops · 11/11/2022 11:18

There's a big difference between mistakes made because he didn't know better and choices actively made when he did!
My kids have missed formative experiences - DS was supposed to be at uni and like thousands of other young people was shit in the house remote learning. There was no love life or social life for him. He didn't have the luxury of working with a girlfriend (and paying her from the public purse). Hancock's 'I fell in love' is vomit inducing.
I agreed with lockdown, felt it was necessary and I expected the Health Secretary to obey his own rules!

Yes. I totally agree.

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