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AIBU to feel rejected by my son?

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Flippingnora100 · 06/11/2022 02:41

DS is 12 and a lovely, kind, gentle, easygoing kid. We get along really well. I love our family time together. Lately he’s been hanging out at his friend’s house a lot and is always going on sleepovers there. The friend is a nice kid, but is quite indulged (I’m not sure if it’s because he’s an only child). Junk food, sweets, fizzy drinks, no screen time limits, big house, lots of fun stuff eg basketball court, sleepovers all the time with lots of friends etc. The mum is really nice but definitely less strict than me. My son never invites his friends to our house and jumps at any chance to go to his friends’ houses-especially this friend. Plans that start off being at our house seem to always end up at this other kid’s house instead. Today we planned a family pizza movie night and when we arrived to pick DS up, he had just been invited to sleep over and was all excited. I said yes but left feeling a little hurt. I’m happy that he has friends and gets invited to things. I don’t want to guilt trip him, but we had planned to all hang out together tonight. Do I need to let go and accept that this is how it is when kids get closer to their teenage years? Should I talk to him about evening things out and inviting friends here more often?

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sjxoxo · 06/11/2022 05:22

CatchYouOnTheFlippetyFlop · 06/11/2022 03:05

Hmmm. If I was 12 , would I want junk food, sweets, fizzy drinks, no screen time limits, big house, lots of fun stuff eg basketball court, or would I want a pizza and a movie at home with parents?

If course he wants choice number 1.

The problem here is, you're making this personal. It's not.

He would rather hang out with his friends than us. No. He wants to hang out with his friends. It's that simple.

This.
Maybe your house rules are a little strict - your son obviously thinks they are. If he’s not adhering to them because he always at his mates’ fun house then you may aswell loosen up a bit as he’s not getting any benefit from your rules as he’s not there living by them! Don’t take it personally, he’s growing up that’s all xx

Flowersinspringgrowwild · 06/11/2022 05:22

Thelongnights · 06/11/2022 04:49

I don't have restrictions 🤷‍♀️ not on junk or screen time, I have a rule of no junk/snacks until after lunch but that's about it. My kids don't gorge on junk or veg out in front of the TV all day either though, I find that without restrictions/ withholding certain foods etc. my children don't see those things as special, case in point I literally found their last year Halloween sweets in back of storage press when taking out Halloween decorations, completely abandoned and forgotten, this year's stuff is sitting in a big bowl on counter in kitchen and hasn't been looked at since Halloween night, it'll likely all end up in the bin just like most of ther easter chocolate and so on, was my daughters 13th bday today we all went out for dinner at a very nice restaurant and both kids passed up on dessert as they weren't in the mood and were full, we went bowling afterwards and they were offered snacks etc but didn't touch them, they didn't even have cake when offered... TV is apparently boring and they spend most days doing crafts, out swinging in the garden or reading, my 7 y/o has a massive dogman collection while 13 y/o practically inhales books. Both girls have consoles, 7 y/o has switch and 13 y/o has an xbox, they play them in the morning for maybe an hour at weekend, or if its a particularly dreary wet evening we all play Mario kart as a family, only extended period my kids are in front of a screen is if we do Mario night or a movie night. My 13 y/o is in all honor levels in secondary school. Both girls are very well behaved and I'm always complimented on their manners/politeness. I don't have to force or bribe or "encourage" then to eat their veg and I don't need to wrestle TV remotes or controllers from them. I have never had any issues with bed times, kids are always up early and I've never had a single tantrum in a shop for sweets or whatever. Neither are overweight, their both very active. Most importantly my children aren't motivated by the promise of a screen or sugar, these things do not have any weight or power over my kids and if that makes me a shit parent then so be it but I'm proud to say I'm raising children who I'm hoping become adults without food related issues such as binging on "bad/restricted food". Children should be allowed to self moderate, in fact its a skilled parents should be actively teaching... some kids literally grow up to young adults with no idea how set their own limits with devastating consequences

TDLR

Flowersinspringgrowwild · 06/11/2022 05:24

Flippingnora100 · 06/11/2022 03:48

We live abroad in a tropical place. My son does after school activities like art and swimming that he loves. Also surf lessons on weekends. When he’s at home he loves reading, playing Lego with his brother and just relaxing. We have a pool. Last summer he cycled around with his friends and they went from house to house, which I thought was great. Trust me, this child does not have a bad life! It’s just that we have some boundaries instead of none.

OPs DC is literally living the dream childhood wise and still Pps who are triggered by their own parenting choices, attack her for limiting screen time 😂

OP, your DC’s life sounds beautiful. He must be thriving. Keep up the good work ❤️

Loopyloopy · 06/11/2022 05:28

Thelongnights · 06/11/2022 04:49

I don't have restrictions 🤷‍♀️ not on junk or screen time, I have a rule of no junk/snacks until after lunch but that's about it. My kids don't gorge on junk or veg out in front of the TV all day either though, I find that without restrictions/ withholding certain foods etc. my children don't see those things as special, case in point I literally found their last year Halloween sweets in back of storage press when taking out Halloween decorations, completely abandoned and forgotten, this year's stuff is sitting in a big bowl on counter in kitchen and hasn't been looked at since Halloween night, it'll likely all end up in the bin just like most of ther easter chocolate and so on, was my daughters 13th bday today we all went out for dinner at a very nice restaurant and both kids passed up on dessert as they weren't in the mood and were full, we went bowling afterwards and they were offered snacks etc but didn't touch them, they didn't even have cake when offered... TV is apparently boring and they spend most days doing crafts, out swinging in the garden or reading, my 7 y/o has a massive dogman collection while 13 y/o practically inhales books. Both girls have consoles, 7 y/o has switch and 13 y/o has an xbox, they play them in the morning for maybe an hour at weekend, or if its a particularly dreary wet evening we all play Mario kart as a family, only extended period my kids are in front of a screen is if we do Mario night or a movie night. My 13 y/o is in all honor levels in secondary school. Both girls are very well behaved and I'm always complimented on their manners/politeness. I don't have to force or bribe or "encourage" then to eat their veg and I don't need to wrestle TV remotes or controllers from them. I have never had any issues with bed times, kids are always up early and I've never had a single tantrum in a shop for sweets or whatever. Neither are overweight, their both very active. Most importantly my children aren't motivated by the promise of a screen or sugar, these things do not have any weight or power over my kids and if that makes me a shit parent then so be it but I'm proud to say I'm raising children who I'm hoping become adults without food related issues such as binging on "bad/restricted food". Children should be allowed to self moderate, in fact its a skilled parents should be actively teaching... some kids literally grow up to young adults with no idea how set their own limits with devastating consequences

SOME kids can set limits, usually girls. Most kids will use screen time to a level that limits other activities if given free range - screens are DESIGNED to be addictive.

marvellousmaple · 06/11/2022 05:31

15 minutes is really a bit silly. Zero minutes one day and half an hour the next would make a teensy bit of sense. I'm assuming this is gaming time? By the time the game has loaded and they've entered whatever world/server they are waiting to join they will have maybe 10 minutes to play. WHat is the point?

Loopyloopy · 06/11/2022 05:33

lennolin · 06/11/2022 04:22

What's so bad about screen time? All the kids homework and games are tech based now and with how technology is progressing I can't see the negatives to how it used to be.

Too much screen time is still bad for kids. Too much screen time is associated with poorer physical and mental health. If they are spending hours per day on the screen, this reduces their opportunity for physical activity.

tabulahrasa · 06/11/2022 06:08

15 minutes? What’s he supposed to do in 15 minutes? Start a game and not finish it? Watch half a tv programme?

Thats not limiting screen time, it’s basically giving him none, he can’t do anything in 15 minutes.

Fireworkssparklers · 06/11/2022 06:11

Don’t worry about people criticising your parenting, @Flippingnora100 .

Things are always more alluring at someone else’s house.

Backstreets · 06/11/2022 06:23

Wish I was allowed just 15 minutes a day honestly! Though I suppose it would make my job a lot harder. Agree op’s son sounds like he has a dream life but YABU for feeling rejected by a 12 year old having fun with friends.

Cmsquestions · 06/11/2022 06:28

I’d be rejecting you too op 😉 unclench! X

Oblomov22 · 06/11/2022 06:32

What? Only 15 minutes? Good grief woman ease up! No wonder he wants to go to this friends house. You sound unnecessarily strict.

bumblingbovine49 · 06/11/2022 06:34

Flippingnora100 · 06/11/2022 03:30

15 mins in the week and 1 hour on weekends. We usually watch a tv show together at the end of the day too before they go to bed. Some of his friends have no limits. We are definitely on the stricter end. If friends come over, we aren’t too strict on the screens though.

Those are very strict screen times for a 12 year old. Do you impose them when friends are over, even at the weekend? If so I imagine his friends won't want to come over when they have a better ( to them) option.

Ohyoucutie · 06/11/2022 06:35

He is 12 Op

not 17

assert some authority and restrict all the sleepovers. One every other weekend.

LolaSmiles · 06/11/2022 06:37

15 minutes sounds a bit harsh, but it sounds like you've got a lovely lifestyle out there where there's no need for children to be glued to screens for hours a day. Increasing the time a bit wouldn't be the end of the world.
It's not personal that he wants to go to his friend's house. He's 12 and the freedom is a novelty.

You seem to have a good handle on boundaries and expectations, so why are you allowing a child to decide if he's sleeping over Vs being at home? I might have got the wrong end of the stick, but you can set limits and say no to sleepovers all the time.

Ohyoucutie · 06/11/2022 06:38

I have DS same age.
One tv programme during the week but ONLY after all homework done, showered and in PJs and all laid out for school next day. No gaming during the week.

Weekends 3 hours of gaming on Saturday (I have control on app So it cuts off after 3 hours). And 2 hours on Sunday but only after showered after rugby, and done homework. Then a film with family on evening.

Ohyoucutie · 06/11/2022 06:39

And thankfully sleepovers aren’t remotely a “thing” in his group of friends.

Ladybug14 · 06/11/2022 06:40

bumblingbovine49 · 06/11/2022 06:34

Those are very strict screen times for a 12 year old. Do you impose them when friends are over, even at the weekend? If so I imagine his friends won't want to come over when they have a better ( to them) option.

This

Your restrictions are ludicrous imo BUT if these restrictions are in place during sleepovers too, then it's no wonder your easy going son is choosing to go elsewhere. I expect he's embarrassed but wouldn't dream of upsetting you by telling you.

Ohyoucutie · 06/11/2022 06:40

Junk food, sweets, fizzy drinks, no screen time limits, big house, lots of fun stuff eg basketball court, sleepovers all the time with lots of friends etc.

quite simply - I would not want my 12 year old regularly in this environment. So would heavily limit sleepovers

Ohyoucutie · 06/11/2022 06:42

And not a chance I would turn up to collect my son and then just turn around and accept him sleeping over there. That is plain rude for a start

Puddywoodycat · 06/11/2022 06:43

Op 15 mins is too short what would anyone watch in that time?
Unfortunately what such strict boundaries show at age 12 is a lack of trust.

You don't trust your son and of course he will want to "escape" to a free environment!
It's one thing restricting screen times at younger ages but age 12! He would feel hugely embarrassed to invite people back.

Respect and trust is a two way street and if he works hard and is a good student you need to relax with him and have " age appropriate" boundaries.
Otherwise you will simply turn into those "strict" parents who no one can relax around and no one wants to he around.

Remember his friends, some will be getting the exact same grade's, possibly better and yet be allowed loads of freedom. Maybe not basketball hall boy but certainly others and he will start to wonder what the point of these rules are?

itwasntmetho · 06/11/2022 06:44

I’d have taken him back tonight, you had plans.

underneaththeash · 06/11/2022 06:45

@Thelongnights that's not usual though, my sons would sit there all day (and all night) if allowed. My eldest also needed snacks moderating when younger as he puts on weight really easily - he's got the hang of it better now that he's older.

I would rather parent properly and then lift restrictions when they no longer need them.

BatsAtHome · 06/11/2022 06:47

Flippingnora100 · 06/11/2022 03:48

We live abroad in a tropical place. My son does after school activities like art and swimming that he loves. Also surf lessons on weekends. When he’s at home he loves reading, playing Lego with his brother and just relaxing. We have a pool. Last summer he cycled around with his friends and they went from house to house, which I thought was great. Trust me, this child does not have a bad life! It’s just that we have some boundaries instead of none.

This is an amazing life. OP - you are not a bad parent for limiting junk food and screen time, quite the opposite. At 12 your son is still very much a kid.
Screen time and technology is always going to be a contentious subject -
I would suggest being less regimented about it. If its a quiet or low energy day then yes, more time playing with tech is ok. Some days it doesn't feature at all.
Trust yourself - you're the parent and you sound like a great one.
Your son is separating from you a little which is of course natural but you need to keep the family ties strong and stable too.
You could suggest that sleepovers need to be an equal amount - split between sleepovers out and sleepovers at home. Maybe one sleepover every fortnight during term and a lot more in the holidays.
I think it's ok to say no to surprise sleepovers too, if it doesn't work for the family.
Kids need sleep and healthy food as well as fun.
You might enjoy reading "Hold on to your kids" by the fantastic Gabor Mate.

Puddywoodycat · 06/11/2022 06:49

Lola

I think doing that would cause massive deep seated resentment.

By 12 our children should know who they are and have formed good habits.
Being exposed to some freedom shouldn't affect a 12 year old.

I would not cut down on sleepovers without op relaxing her rules at home and it sounds like her DC share a room. Nothing wrong with that but unless she is flexible she will drive her son away..

I can't believe at this age she thinks he would want to sit in a super strict controlled environment with someone who seeks to control him.to this degree rather than be free at his friends.

smileandsing · 06/11/2022 06:54

You sound like a good parent, but quite judgemental of your son's friend's parents and what they allow their son to do and have. You don't really know what rules or boundaries they have, only what your son has told you. Also what's with the only child comment? Jealousy is a terrible thing, as is insecurity.
I'd have said no last night to the sleepover as you had plans. But you didn't say no, presumably because your son would have been unhappy, so I think perhaps you don't have the strong boundaries you think you do. Just an idea but you could invite the boy to sleepover at yours more often, maybe his parents are fed up of all the kids hanging out at theirs all the time, but don't want to cut their son off from his friends, especially as he's an only child.