Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

@Picklepiepop That sounds really dire. Is there any chance we’re going to put the blame where it lies, at the feet of the government for overloading certain communities, and not at the feet of the asylum seekers who have no choice about where they’re moved to?

Tbh, your example proves exactly why the current system of the Home Office dumping people in “centres” doesn’t work. Because

1. genuine asylum seekers may be carrying physical and mental trauma, and centres are known for delaying or denying medical treatment.

2. men, women and children living in close quarters with no safeguarding is incredibly risky.

3. In the community, asylum seekers can be supported with English lessons and cultural awareness - especially around safeguarding and sexual behaviour and the consequences of illegal behaviour. Mentor schemes can be set up between settled people of the same nationality/religion to promote community ethos and cultural understanding.

Leaving people in a centre with nothing to do, no job, no hope and surrounded by an increasingly hostile population is not good for anyone.

But all of that is a complex issue which no one here will really give a shit about. Much easier to throw in a pithy one liner or pretend there aren’t any answers.

I never said what my opinion about immigration was in my post. I was simply pointing out that if you think this is bad you haven’t seen anything compared to the future when entire countries might become inhospitable.
what would you do if the U.K. became inhospitable?

Also that the cheap food and services we want come at a price and that price is people seeking to come to the U.K. to work on those poorly paid jobs paid cash in hand with no questions asked.

It is their fault if they are economic migrants

They need to take some responsibility and pay for themselves

The food isn't cheap anyway and what services exactly

Well food has been cheap till recently (talking about fruit pickers etc) and I mean services like car washes and nail bars; many of which are staffed by immigrants.

If it gets to that level then everyone will be fighting for survival. And most will probably die.

There are a lot of Albanian illegals near me. They come over on fake Greek passports and work cash-in-hand on building sites. £100 a day tax free. The one that I know personally told me about his living arrangements. His brother came over first and rented a one bedroom flat and now there's 7 of them sharing it. They sleep cheek-by-jowl, three in the bedroom, 3 in the lounge & one in the hallway.

These fit young men have elderly, female and minor family members in Albania to support. How does it help the British economy to send all this money out of the country to spend in Albania?

A very good point.

How is border control in the Schengen Zone policed anyway? Isn't it like us entering the EU post Brexit? Do you remember the six hour queues at Dover this summer, and most people probably perfectly straightforward British born, UK passport holders just going on holiday? There is something so distinctly rat-smelling here and it doesn't make sense.

I could live without the car washes and nail bars tbh

Yes it does nothing and they are not paying tax

I'm sure they will expect their bins emptied

Unemployment is at an all time low

They cant process them faster until they know who they are. They enter the country illegally without documentation so the UK have to wait for the Albanian govern ent to identify them

They’ve got a backlog going back years. Stop making excuses for them.

They aren't entitled to claim benefits here. To come here legally, they need a visa and are therefore "subject to immigration control", and not entitled to benefits.

If they are here illegally, they are not entitled to claim benefits.

If they have claimed asylum on arrival, they are "subject to immigration control" and not entitled to benefits. If they are granted leave to remain when their asylum applications are decided, they may be entitled to benefits, but it's not a given.

My friend who claimed asylum was inititally granted leave to remain for 5 years but was "no recourse to public funds", so worked and had help with housing from an organisation that supports refugees. When the government in her country of origin effectively rendered her stateless, she was granted refugee status and, shortly afterwards, she became a UK citizen. She became entitled to benefits when she got refugee status, but all she claimed was a small amount of housing benefit so that she could move into a flat.

I think there's a massive misrepresentation of why people choose to come to England. The RW media love to crow that 'Everyone knows the UK has the most generous benefits system in the world' (they don't and it isn't) - I mean, how much do you know about benefits systems of any other country? Plus we don't take anything like the biggest proportion of migrants/asylum seekers.

I think people come here because they have family here; they speak or at least understand some English; because ultimately they'd love to go to America, but they can't get there but at least they can get to the UK and then maybe if they learn English they can get to America. It's really not that we're all that.

The problem with lack of identification has been going on years too

Currently every case worker is processing 1.5 claims a week. In 2015 they were processing four or five, that’s why there’s a backlog, not because they have problems with identification. There are some people who have been in limbo for literally years waiting to be processed. Total incompetence. Especially when 70% of claims are successful.

freemovement.org.uk/briefing-the-sorry-state-of-the-uk-asylum-system/

Whether or not we are all that (and I reckon the U.K. is pretty good) for the 10k males new insight is needed. Because it’s a gang related criminal issue that needs to be tackled based on new information.

I'm not aware of any legal way the UK can do that.

If we were still in the EU, we could use to provisions of the Dublin regulation to send them back to the first EU country they arrived in. Thanks to the people who voted leave, in the mistaken belief that it would make it easier to "control our borders", that option is no longer available. France has offered to set up processing facilities for those seeking to come to the UK, but the UK government has declined the offer.

The UK is a signatory to (and was heavily involved in drafting) the 1951 UN convention and therefore undertook to protect the rights of refugees arriving here. To refuse to admit those seeking asylum would be in breach of that convention.

Incidentally, last year, France took 2.5 times as many asylum seekers as the UK. Germany took nearly 4 times as many.

LakieLady
If we were still in the EU, we could use to provisions of the Dublin regulation to send them back to the first EU country they arrived in.

House of Commons Library 2019

According to Home Office figures, between 2015 and 2018, 7,365 incoming requests were made to transfer people into the UK under the Dublin regulation, from which 2,365 people were transferred to the UK (some requests may still be pending).

This means that the UK accepted around 33% of requests. During the same period, the UK made 18,953 outgoing requests to transfer people to other Member States, from which 1,395 people were transferred abroad. This amounts to around 7% of outgoing requests by the UK resulting in a transfer.

In 2018, the UK received a total of 37,453 asylum applications, and made 5,510 outgoing transfer requests under Dublin III. Of these 5,510 requests, 209 migrants were transferred out of the UK under Dublin III, whilst 1,215 came in, making the UK a net recipient in 2018.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/

ARE BORDERS!!!

You tell them Thommeh Robinson lester!

just close the borders and send them on boats back to Calais