Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

There is not much known about the recent influx Ie 10,000

Picking up on interviews etc - in some cases recruitment takes place (guy said no with no extra threat), pics on boats of mostly men looking celebratory, weapons sharpened in migrant centre, many leaving hotels after 24 hours

We need new information re who makes up the figures. The above does build a picture but it is still hard to confirm it

Exactly. They end up as field hands, fruit & veg pickers, shellfish pickers, laundry workers, kitchen workers and drug deliverers. Some of them end up being forced to become the minders of trafficked women and children, and in the sex trade. They're not all 'head traffickers'.

that's because we lost so many European workers to (a) pay tax to fund that infrastructure, and (b) be the actual workers in that infrastructure eg the NHS

Did we lose that many though? 200,000 thousand have left, and they would not have been necessarily workers, all of them, over 6,000,000 have applied for settlement here. As for tax, most of the those jobs we need workers for are minimum wage, they not only don't pay tax, but are in receipt of benefits and other support.

There are no takers for those jobs because they don't pay better than benefits, not because of Brexit.

Women have mostly been granted refugee status. The males arriving atm will most likely not be given asylum as they disappear into the population and don’t wait in the hotels for the process

I'm going to resist your attempts to make this into a personal spat.

And given that the unsourced statistic you have claimed is false then no, it does not back up your thoughts at all.

According to the BBC "In the year to June 2022, 7,267 asylum applications were submitted by Albanian migrants, double the number the previous year.

In general, 53% of claims by Albanians are accepted.

About 14% of successful claims were by single, adult men. Most were by women and children."

So the facts actually directly refute your 'thoughts'. The vast majority of asylum applications by Albanian men are rejected.

Doesn’t this ignore that fact the joining the EU has certain criteria? Like for eg

“stable institutions guaranteeing democracy, the rule of law, human rights and respect for and protection of minorities;
a functioning market economy” etc.

Meaning, Albania under the EU wouldn’t get away (as easily) with such widespread corruption and running uncontrolled crime gangs. Rather than being a security risk, these countries joining the EU would reduce the problems we’re seeing now in the UK with international crime gangs.

Leaving the EU, however:
“This week a report has highlighted how Brexit and immigration policy could result in more forced labour exploitation.”
amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/22/britain-hostile-environment-modern-day-slavery-brexit

The only Albanians that came to my area are the sort who heckle the school girls (clearly in uniform) asking if they want to make money they also attacked a phone shop randomly didn't seem to understand we actually have cctv and even if we didn't they did it in broad daylight people just filmed them and plastered it on Facebook the police couldn't catch them all only got three of them but rumour has it they were just sent to another hotel out of area

My town is apparently unfriendly (I live here there is no apparently about it)

So for the people who are saying it’s great we have 1/2% of Albania’s male population arriving here in a year, then what would be the ideal amount. Let’s say the same amount or double arrive next year. Will they be too much? No I’ve ever had an answer to exactly what is too much migration. Some people wouldn’t still be saying we are a racist shit hole if we only took 70% of the male population of a country.
My high street has been mentioned on this thread. Are many of the posters here living in the areas where these men are settling, sat around all day smoking outside cafes and driving Audi’s. They are not vulnerable young things, they are men with money and lots of time in the day…

We’re going round in circles here.

I initially responded to someone saying we should let people work because many of them are doctors, dentists and nurses.

I asked why in that case they didn’t apply for work visa.

Answer was, they couldn’t because they were asylum seekers.

I asked why they applied for asylum given that they were coming from Albania.

The answer to that was “they were trafficked”.

So I wondered how trafficked people would be able to opt for a job in the NHS.

You say they wouldn’t be, which is probably the case, but it brings as back to the initial post saying we should let the doctors and nurses work.

I’ve read enough of your posts @IcedPurple to know that I don’t really care what your opinion is one way or another. It’s blatant what it’s rooted in.

We don't have a labour shortage. There are millions of working age people either not working on benefits or working part-time. The problem is wages are too low. Importing more people will do nothing to solve this and just pushes down wages even further whilst increasing demand for housing, NHS, education etc. Lose-lose for anyone who is not a landlord or wealthy business-owner.

@IcedPurple I’ve seen those numbers and think they’re accurate, but they need a massive caveat - asylum claims are taking months (and years) in some cases. We have no way of knowing the status of the more recent arrivals. It may be the case that those numbers stay accurate, they may change.

I gave you sourced statistics, not opinions.

You give personal insults.

I'll leave you to it.

You know the UK always had a veto? Could always have said No to Romania and Bulgaria, for example. If still a member of the EU, the UK could always say No to Albania, Moldova and Turkey.

Yeah, my thinking is very desperately need builders etc, which is something a lot of these guys can do!

I think the best way to stop illegal immigration is just create a simple pipeline to come and fill shortage jobs; it's really not rocket science to find now which employers are short of people and not finding people coming forward or qualified here (building, care, catering, nursing etc) and offer straightforward visas for people who can. Which was exactly why we needed EU membership, where we were always able to 'control our borders' if we wanted to, but there you go.

And to those who say we should 'look after our own' - that's exactly why we need migrants. With an ageing and growing population, we need someone to build homes, to look after the older people etc.

Your seriously telling me these men are doctors, nurses and dentists? Why have they left Alabania then?

Yes I’m wondering at what point those keen to see people arrive and stay feel it’s too much. You probably won’t get an answer btw

The best approach is not to have any gang and crime related migration but use visas and sort out asylum applications more effectively.

I guess so. Of course, they could change in the direction of fewer claims being granted.

In any case, we can only work with the statistics we have.

We need to put a stop to these migrants coming across in boats. I don't care if they want to come here to work. Imagine if a group of British people went across in a boat to France just because they wanted to live there. Can't see the French putting them up in hotels and welcoming them.

Haha I was just going to say this.

Echobelly - We need to be filling those jobs with people already living here. And for anyone saying that British people don't want those kind of low skilled jobs we need to ask ourselves why. Are they better off on benefits than working? Because that shouldn't be the case.

@IcedPurple The majority of Albanian asylum claims which are refused are given an avenue of appeal which can only be exercised outside the UK. I’m theory this should be a speedy process - but lack of resources and has lead to a lag.

The people on boats are not doctors, nurses and dentists. Some people are so daft and guilble.

We haven’t got enough of them. We’ve got the lowest unemployment for 50 years. We’ve got crops rotting in the fields with nobody to harvest them. We need immigrants.

@Mycatsgoldtooth and @MarshaBradyo I think a sensible place to start would be to not assume that people supporting asylum seekers rights all want open borders and massive %s of Albanians.

Also 😅 at @MarshaBradyo claiming you won’t getting any answers - what was wrong with my perfectly reasonable answers to you on the other thread?