Albanian migrants question

[Notthetoothfairy]

Everyone knows the U.K. is really short of staff since Brexit and that is pushing up prices for food etc. If we now (like it or not) have a huge influx of Albanian young men who actually want to work, wouldn’t we be better off letting them legally get jobs here and treating them like the Europeans who left?

Maybe I’m being too simplistic here but I’m not sure how keeping them unhappily detained for long periods in processing centres then spending something like £7m a day putting them in hotels without letting them work is helping anyone. Obviously it’s different if someone has just come over to claim benefits and has no intention of working but I get the impression that’s not the case for a lot of these young men.

If you think I’m wrong, you can explain why and still be nice about it 😁

Yet yesterday everyone was discussing how terrible the NHS is etc etc.
This is partly due to too many people! It can’t cope.

But would their traffickers just let them work as nurses in that case?
On a different thread someone said that the way for criminal gangs to traffic those men was to threaten their families at home.
What would happen if upon their arrival in the UK they declined ‘work’ the gang masters had in mind and choose nursing instead?

I don’t know why it’s so fairy land when it comes to this issue. It’s clear crime and violence is part of the picture.

Ah...this would be high road leyton....also parts of walthamstow now have the cafes but not in such numbers....these all opened a few years ago !!

Are you some sort of conversation moderator?

Albanian men are probably more likely to be traffickers than trafficked

is that opinion or fact?

What do you think would happen if you were in debt to the mafia and you ‘declined’ to do what they asked you?

No traffickers aren’t going to let them just work in legitimate jobs but it has also never existed as an option for trafficked people to take up legitimate employment.

I'm not sure how asking you to support your own statements is acting as a 'moderator'.

My own statement is opinion, hence the 'probably'.

Elderly men very much do want to be cared for by men though. I meet a lot of carers and patients through work and there are more and more men doing it - and men requesting a male carer.

And that's fine. But women tend to live longer than men. One of the home care agencies near me has a ratio of 3 men to 1 woman in their care staff. A complete change from the past. And not good for women.

They should be turned around and dropped off back at Calais. Women and children fine.

@Cornettoninja Considering an abundant proof that Albanian mafia is based on clans of extended families and controls world-wide trafficking networks I'd say it's rather logical that they are the traffickers, or are related to the traffickers.

It would dry up the constant supply of gang labour here.

Allowing ever increasing crime related men through the system doesn’t seem viable.

Don’t understand why they’re even coming here, not like they’re being bombed by Russia. They should apply for visas the correct way, not just arrive and expect a warm welcome. Especially since we now have issues in Kent etc where there are so many immigrants local English people can’t get a place in their own school ffs.

Don't be ridiculous. Women and children need to either go through official channels or claim refugee status and then be assessed. You can't just say yes come on in without any form of process.

That's because we lost so many European workers to (a) pay tax to fund that infrastructure, and (b) be the actual workers in that infrastructure eg the NHS

But hey, Brexit got done so cool shit bro

No, you trying to shut down conversation about men is you acting like a moderator. Why does it bother you so much to include men in the conversation, especially since most of the accusations of criminality are against them?

not all of the below specifically concentrate on men, but none exclude them or fail to recognise them as a group also at risk of trafficking. That seems to be an individual problem.

www.asylos.eu/albania-report

www.nationalworld.com/news/politics/why-people-fleeing-albania-home-office-figures-27-uk-modern-slavery-victims-albanian-3902724?amp

www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/news/albanian-boys-and-young-men-the-risk-of-trafficking-and-re-trafficking-on-return

www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/albanian-men-trafficked-uk-forced-24741457.amp

But hey, Brexit got done so cool shit bro

If Albania, Moldova and various other desperately poor countries join the EU, I think we'll all be pretty grateful that Brexit got done.

Maybe the Right Hon Penny Mordant MP can tell us a pack of lies about it to influence public opinion! It's been too long since she did her extra special dishonesty thing.

Whilst I’d agree that most traffickers are men it’s nonsensical to think they don’t traffic other men alongside women an children.

Give over. I asked you to support a statement you made. I'm not trying to 'shut anything down' so stop trying to make this into a personal spat.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be suggesting that many of the 10000 Albanian men arriving in Britain by boat this year have been trafficked. Do you seriously believe this to be the case?

I think the word 'done' is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

As far as I understand it over 1% of the male population of Albania has arrived this summer.

Now the question to me is who is the 1% most likely to be the ones to leave first?

If the average person is qualified, works hard and is on average a late adopter of a new movement. Who are these? Extremely entrepreneurial, resourceful and motivated individuals? It may be but surely those would be succeeding in Albania already. Or are they those who don’t mind doing something illegal to get their way? Also potentially.

True. But the idea of freedom of movement between the UK and Albania is absolute insanity.

Again, this is a domestic issue exacerbated and twisted into propaganda so anger is diverted away from the actual culprits. School places aren’t going to magically appear if we turn every asylum seeker away;

I'd have voted remain if we had had a cast iron guarantee that Albania and various other poor countries were not going to join in the next fifty years .

Yes, I don’t even need to ask you what your stance is though do I?

Given 80%+ of asylum claims by Albanians are granted that rather backs up my thoughts doesn’t it?