To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

It is next to impossible to disprove a claim for asylum. That’s why so few are deported.

Thanks for that, Thanos.

Well I’m very interested in your explanation then.

If you’re going to say that they’re not asylum seekers because they should stay in the first safe country they reach, then no I don’t think the UK should be free from helping asylum seekers just because the country is harder to get to

So then they’re asylum seekers

not illegal immigrants

goodness me, decide on a point and stick with it

No the ones in refugee camps are …. refugees. The terminology is hugely important and differentiates in international law.

28% are rejected and deported

@sst1234 then it needs to be tightened up but calling them illegal immigrants is dangerous as that term is highly negative. It leads to people being attacked and persecuted for being an ‘illegal immigrant’ but ignorant arses. Using the right term for migrants is important.

Or possibly because most have flown terrifying situations and need asylum?

Have you ever listened to stories from refugees and asylum seekers of what they have seen and endured. Maybe you should as what I have heard haunts me.

I don’t usually like this but….

THIS!

Every asylum seeker has to be an illegal immigrant at some point. If the government actually gave a shit about people trafficking it would expand embassies to have the ability for people to make applications before setting out to the UK. It doesn’t do that though so what does that say about how much it actually ‘cares’ about people seeking asylum?

www.thesun.co.uk/news/20112269/hotel-sacks-workforce-asylum-seekers/

Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down. Every system has broken down, we have had twelve years fo deliberate, deep and widespred underinvestment.

You can't run a country this way. The Tories have fucking broken everything.

Apols for my dreadful typos

The vast majority of asylum claims are accepted as genuine.

The above statement is usually used to defend our current asylum seeker policy.

But there is another way of looking at it: the current limiting factor on the number of arrivals is how many people can physically get here, not how many people we can sustainably accept.

I'm originally from a third world country where people literally live in shacks made out of strung-together plastic rubbish bags and the government raids villages with AK47s to kill people who agitate against them, the same government which has committed genocidal attacks against non-favoured ethnic groups. That country has a population of 20 million people - the majority of whom could individually probably string together a valid asylum claim and live a far, far, far more humane life in the UK. I'm sure the same applies to people from many countries with far larger populations.

But it's just not possible for us to accept that many people. It currently takes years to process asylum claims, partially because of the many avenues to appeal. At some point we have to be honest and say we can't save everyone.

Too right something needs to be done about it - I think we should be providing them with legal routes in so that they can come and help us with the terrible staff shortages we’re experiencing. We’re paying the price of Brexit and able bodied people want to come and work here? Yes please and thank you!

Sounds like the usual government inefficiencies. I’m sure the asylum seekers would much rather have their claims processed quickly and at last be able to settle into their new lives, than be living in limbo in a hotel.

Sounds like the best solution for everyone involved is for the government to have an efficient process and a policy overhaul, rather than the chaotic “system” they’ve currently got

False.

Less then 3000 a year are deported. Out of around 50k applications.

Well there were nowhere near as many illegals coming over pre-Brexit but the good people of Kent decided to follow Farage and here we are. Part of the county is a lorry park now too. It was always clear that once we were out of the EU, we’d have to deal with the illegals alone. Prior to this we had a deal with France where they would help.

Slow hand clap BeLeavers of Kent who are feeling the same impacts of their Pyrrhic victory as the fishermen and farmers. Patel and Braverman know deep down that they can’t resolve this despite wasting millions on unworkable deals with Rwanda.

So if we get a labour government how will they turn it around? What have they proposed?

No not this. It makes no sense unless there is literally no safe country between where they started and the UK. Not a single safe country where they could stop. They choose to keep going until they get here for some bizarre reason. They have the choice of all those other countries not surrounded by a sea.

Why are you demanding answers off that poster? It’s not their job to make sure you’re informed. You’ve clearly got the internet - look it up yourself.

@Cornettoninja I think I'm fine posting what I like

It's mumsnet,...a time wasting forum. I'm not writing a dissertation

So you don’t think the UK had any global obligation to provide refuge? We aren’t anywhere near the top of the list for countries that do.

I fear it will only get worse as the climate crisis worsens and some places will be unliveable and struggle to comfortably sustain life. Those poor people.
I don’t know what the answer is, but I can’t see it getting any better

It makes a lot of sense

Many have family that are in the UK for instance.

They also don’t have to stop in the first safe country