To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

There is a crisis. Home office is taking an average of 480 days to process an asylum claim, they’re holding people illegally in detention centres and the backlog of claims is above 100,000. Other countries in Europe have far higher numbers of people claiming asylum but seem to manage without such terrible delays and overcrowded, illegal detention. Imagine being in limbo for 480 days! Just awful.

I don’t know, but we need to be able to have a sensible conversation about it without someone shouting ‘racism’ after about 30 seconds. The minute you break conversation down then things go wrong and resentment builds.

They need to sort it so that asylum can be organised from outside the UK, that way these poor people won’t have to risk their lives trying to get here to claim asylum.

Services also need a far bigger budget, unfortunately the tories have opted for austerity instead, so refugees or not all services are underfunded and struggling. The solution to that is not voting conservative next GE

@CaronPoivre utter nonsense. But I see you have no answers to the terrible situation of human trafficking either.

Oh, I thought this thread was going to be about finding solutions to our massive post Brexit labour shortage . My bad.

What we shouldn't be doing is putting them up in hotels, my hotel has cancelled all reservations for the next 6 months because the governments have purchased all rooms. If we liked it or not

Most are nice but some are frightening and pretty intimidating

Nothing will be done. Because Europe has a de-population crisis. Germany didn’t accept over a million Syrians out of the goodness of its heart. Our government isn’t ferrying small boats across the channel out of humanitarianism. They do it to bolster the working population. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s simple math.

Let’s look at some indicators. We have a perpetually low productivity economy, a falling birth rate over the last few decades, an ageing population, not enough workers. So you import workers. If you do it wholesale, you get an outcry and events like Brexit. So you do it through the back door like this. By enabling what’s happening in the channel. Can anyone name one serious attempt to stop these crossings? Just one? Of course not.

We do need workers. The problem is, our economy is a pyramid. We keep bolstering it with low skilled workers, who when they age need more workers to prop them up. With low productivity, weak growth, and lack of high skilled workers, there is a smaller and smaller pool of wealth creators to keep this pyramid scheme going.

Agree. But people need to be aware that these people are asylum seekers. If their application is not successful and the remain, then they are illegal immigrants. Until that point they are asylum seekers who have arrived in the Uk using the only means possible. Because the UK government won't agree to an offshore application centre and therefore there is no other route other than a dinghy in the channel.

I have no idea what the right answer to all of this is.

However, we do need to dissuade the dangerous Channel crossings. They are very dangerous, particularly in winter. How do we do it? I don't know. Put more pressure on France?

No one said ‘racist’ I said it was ‘bigotry’ to call them ‘illegal immigrants’ claiming asylum means you are here legally no matter the route you took. How do you expect them to get here? What are these ‘legal routes’?

So we should flout international law?

The responsibilities countries have to asylum seekers is set out in international law

Easy - the Gov has an application centre in Calais. BUT IT WONT.

There is a simple way to help this issue

for the government to allow people to claim asylum from outside the UK

until they do that, this will continue

@titchy exactly. Getting a flat in a horrible area and £40 a week isn’t worth risking life and limb unless you bc are desperate.

@titchy of course not...I'm not an immigration lawyer? I was asking a question to improve my own understanding...as this clearly isn't working but it's hard to get objective answers from the mainstream media. But clearly not the place!

Which bit is utter nonsense, do share the facts.

Why do we keep insisting on this myth that the majority of the crossings are by asylum seekers? The asylum seekers are all stuck in the camps in Lebanon, Turkey and Pakistan. The crossings are mostly by economic migrants. Until we accept this, no serious solution can be found.

What exactly was utter nonsense about Carons post OP? It doesn’t seem like you want to engage in a discussion about solutions, and more like you want other posters to agree with you and rant about refugees.

There are no other legal methods. The legal route to claiming asylum in the UK requires you to set-foot on UK shores. The UK does not have a system for claiming asylum before you arrive.

@sst1234 then their claim once investigated should be rejected.

But posters on here are yapping on about them getting housed in hotels

that only happens for asylum seekers

Well if you're keen on being informed, there is NO LEGAL WAY TO APPLY FOR ASYLUM IN THE UK BEFORE YOU GET HERE.

Ok, these people have no other way they can arrive here and claim asylum. No choice.

The Gov could do something about that BUT IT WONT.

And what country are the people crossing the channel travelling from originally? Because it’s not French people coming over is it

Anyone picked up by the authorities will of course claim asylum. It’s the only thing they can do to stay.

You missed the point. But never mind.