To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

[JudesBiggestFan]

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

Our populations have mixed views. In France, you will find that everybody is at the same end of the spectrum on the issue - right and left wing. There is very little overt calling out more of a deep seated, barely expressed disgust as if they are speaking of lesser humans

I give you @askmenow 's post, the consensus view in the UK is send em back, even if that means they drown in the channel.

Having spent a lot of time in France, over many years, their racism is no better or worse than the UK's.

Europe just as the means to make life harder for those who want or are forced to live under the radar i.e ID cards, without which nothing is accessible.

@askmenow they don't need cardboard boxes, they have set up tent cities in London according to a previous poster.
You are right about the fact that we should be looking after our forces veterans, maybe the Government could do something ? rather than relying on charities ?

Ukraine has been invaded, not the UK, easy mistake to make as both begin with UK, they don't any benefits, food banks are already struggling with shortages of donations, you want more homelessness on the streets with associated increases in crime?
Tories have been in for 12 years and have, by Braverman's own admission broken the immigration system.

Other than that, a well thought out and reasoned post.

We need to discourage them from coming in the first place making UK much less attractive

Agree, being in the EU would make it easier, Dublin Agreement, both for returning and for family reunion, in Europol, access to EU criminal databases.

But we don't want any of that.

We need to discourage them from coming in the first place making UK much less attractive

God love 'em the Conservatives are trying their best to make the UK much less attractive to everyone !

It is a difficult issue. My view is we should change the law so the 100,000 asylum seekers from France can be taken back there very quickly within a few months. Secondly we have about 1m illegal immigrants most of whom we never return so I would tackle those next and then try to stem our 240,000 a year net legal immigration too. However neither Labour nor the Tories never do anything material about it at all.

Definitely

Secondly we have about 1m illegal immigrants most of whom we never return

Do we actually know where they all are ? if they are illegal I imagine the vast majority are keeping a low profile and not engaging with services like education or health ? Or do you mean people who are overstaying legal visa's or a combination of the two ?

This is very much not a good look for the government. Once again showing that it’s not the arrivals that are the problem.

The problem is the backlog caused by underfunding and understaffing the Home Office.

Yet asylum seekers will pay the price, as will the communities affected by this failure.

Surely the human rights laws seem to stop us from being able to ship people back - I read of would be Rwanda bound immigrants appealed time and again so they delayed the flights - and of course all the naysayers including KC3 and Arch Canterbury (along with many others) bleating about Rwanda as a destination.
It’s a nightmare - when T May was home sec she promised to reduce immigration to below 200,000 ……. And failed.

I read some disgusting posts on twitter about putting them into concentration camps if all else fails. FFS, it's 2022.

How are people allowed to write that about other people? Have a rant by all means but this implies that they are degraded to the extent that the fact that they are alive is offensive. I don't know where this is heading because there were ideas that were utterly outrageous and contemptible five years ago which are now being touted every day by mainstream politicians. Immigration was not really a priority for the last four governments. Just a way to secure votes based on hot air.

It will take a long time to process asylum applications for people when the majority of them have no passport or other identification.

It’s the boat passage number that has changed over time

Aus had year on year increase until Howard iirc. Trouble is it’s deterrent that made numbers drop near zero from thousands.

Agreed @Capri3 but that’s always been the case for people seeking asylum. Unfortunately once they let backlog start, the problem snowballs.

It’s the boat passage number that has changed over time

Not over that much time though, only a few years in reality. 300 in the whole of 2018 and now 10's of thousands in less than a year just over 3 years later.

It will take a long time to process asylum applications for people when the majority of them have no passport or other identification.

But that graph shows the backlog started to really rise back in 2015, even though the number of migrants remained fairly stable or the increase was relatively small. Which would suggest staffing or resource issues ?

Agree, being in the EU would make it easier, Dublin Agreement, both for returning and for family reunion, in Europol, access to EU criminal databases.

How many are Ireland managing to send back?

"In 2018, the UK received a total of 37,453 asylum applications, and made 5,510 outgoing transfer requests under Dublin III. Of these 5,510 requests, 209 migrants were transferred out of the UK under Dublin III, whilst 1,215 came in, making the UK a net recipient in 2018. "

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/what-is-the-dublin-iii-regulation-will-it-be-affected-by-brexit/

It's far to easy to paint a rosey picture

As posted above. Arrival numbers haven’t actually changed a huge amount. It is government cuts that have created a huge backlog that is making numbers appear worse.

Today, no boats arrived because the tide was not favourable. The solution could be to use tidal wave manipulation technology to stop the boats coming in but it would impact upon some of the other channel traffic and some would attempt it anyway at even greater risk to their lives.

Sorry if I've misunderstood this but I'm genuinely lolling at the idea of this inept government sitting around the downing Street kitchen table, heads in hands.

Rishi looks up and says "well this is a shit show chaps, our immigration policy is in failing, our Rwanda plans in ruins, and we can't stop those fucking immigrants crossing the Channel! We need something big to wow the crowds and get this under control, c'mon my peeps give me something good".

There's a moments silence, and a few nervous glances around the room before Suella pips up and says "Well.....we could, you know?.....Fight the gravitational force of the moon and reverse the tides".

😂

Have you ever listened to stories from refugees and asylum seekers of what they have seen and endured. Maybe you should as what I have heard haunts me

Yes. My Iranian husband has translated documents from Farsi for many asylum seekers. Apparently it’s common to discuss whether gay or Christian is the better foil. None of them are getting deported to Iran any time soon.

It seems there is no middle ground between taking everyone regardless and applying some scrutiny and common sense to the wider situation.

It is government cuts that have created a huge backlog that is making numbers appear worse.
This is such a simplistic response, it is devoid of any critical thinking or any real knowledge of how Dublin III has been used since it's inception, it also ignores the fact of how may 'feel good' column inches are made from actually following the deportation process is akin to facism.

It's such a simplistic answer when you can present data like this..

The longer it takes to process applications then it makes sense that costs will rise.

Whose going to look after the aging population once you've stopped people having babies?