To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

[JudesBiggestFan]

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

It seems there is no middle ground between taking everyone regardless and applying some scrutiny and common sense to the wider situation.

That's the crux of the situation, a lot of people are used to playing the emotional angle that they cannot address the issue any other way and just dismiss opposing view points, there is a reason why the left in the MN favoured nordic countries have all come out hard on immigration that if a Tory had said some of the policies that they ran on there would be cries of 'far right' with multiple threads trawling for twitter hot takes

They have realised that if a discussion isn't had rationally then the pendulum will swing too far back, ironically it is the supposed 'critical thinking' crowd who resort to the emotional angle and present simplisitc data based on a binary notion.

The longer it takes to process applications then it makes sense that costs will rise.

That's not quite what the numbers are suggesting, but I will take your simplistic argument at face value.

So you're in favour of deporting failed asylum seekers, considering Dublin III is not what it was set up for (ask Ireland currently) what is your solution?

So if a decision takes 2 years rather than 6 months that doesn't impact the overall costs?

Robots.

1: Thats down to the UK not taking the advantages of the treaty or it isn't true?
Probably incompetence based on the present government

5k requests but returned 209???? why only 5k requests?

2: did we have 10s of '000s crossing in small boats?

As above, I would also question the accuracy of a statement on Dublin from a Govt who said they would seek a new agreement but then didn't, headed up by a man who has lied about Brexit since 2016.

Which pot of money does paying for the hotel accomodation come from ? Is it from the foreign aid budget ?

All of the foreign aid budget is being spent on the immigrants. Was mentioned in the News on ?Saturday.

The UK aid budget is around £11bn, with about £4bn going to multilateral institutions including the World Bank. Of the remaining £7bn, which is administered by the UK directly, more than half will be spent domestically in 2022, including about £3bn on housing refugees, according to CGD's analysis.

The 3bn quoted would cover the 8million a day spent on accomodation, that has been mentioned in the media recently.

The uk aid budget equates to less than 0.7% of the UK's GDP, I think the aim is for all countries to spend 0.7% as a target but I think I remember hearing about us reducing ours, possibly during the pandemic. Also the name of the pot of money seems to differ depending on what literature you are looking at ?

I’m not worried. When we finally leave the EU we’ll be able to sort immigration out once and for all.

The UK has left the EU. It is done. There's no more EU to leave. Cross-Channel immigration has risen every year since the UK left.

Own it.

I am not sure I am happy spending the foreign "aid" budget in part on the 2% of the young Albanian male population who apparently are now claiming asylum in the UK etc.

On the issue of illegal immigration and the 1m estimated many of these will be visa over stayers. "For the LSE team illegal migrants oscillate between 417,000 and 863,000," - that is from wiki. I believe the 1m figure came from sewage surveys. It is estimated France has 800,000 illegal immigrants. I do realise genuine asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are not the same category.

"In the year ending March 2022, there were 3,231 enforced returns, 55% fewer than in 2019 pre-pandemic (7,198). The vast majority of enforced returns in the latest year were of Foreign National Offenders (FNOs) and 51% were EU nationals."
I think there are very few who are returned once they get through the UK air port or port if they are not UK prisoners ending a sentence.

We are all about to face much higher taxes and reduced state services to fill the financial black hole. Some tough choices are going to have to be made in lots of areas.

But when I voted Leave they said all the immigrants would disappear 😭

That’s what I’m asking, WHAT IS IT that makes the last 22 life threatening miles worth it?

Very simply put, the lack of ID cards, the huge grey economy, the free health service and the Lady Bountiful thinking here.

It makes no sense to try and get the immigrants numbers down, because the draw is bigger.

Leaving the EU was never going to do anything about ILLEGAL immigration. We need to stop being such a soft-touch and giving out benefits and housing to all and sundry. And crack down on employers that employ illegal immigrants, shut them down and seize all company for the very first offence, and that includes the assets of subsidiary companies owned by the same people.

Here’s a statistic that may put things into focus. BP’s £730m windfall tax on excess profits will be pay for hotel rooms for migrants for 100 days. That just over 3 months. The sheer cost of this migration crisis is off the scale.

I am not sure I am happy spending the foreign "aid" budget in part on the 2% of the young Albanian male population who apparently are now claiming asylum in the UK etc.

I don’t think you’d be alone if people were asked re taxes

Failed asylum seekers don't get benefits, let alone council housing.

Tories have failed to introduce an ID card system, without which, it is not possible to stop the employment of illegals as anyone can claim to be whoever they want to be.

Brexit just means its more difficult to deport failed asylum seekers and perhaps more importantly, has removed us from Europol and EU criminal databases, reducing cross border investigations into trafficking gangs.

Why are Brexitiers moaning about what they have "won" ?

I was about to ask the same!

You need to tackle immigration at source

What drives it? Global inequality and climate change

Fix them and the problem goes away if it's own accord

Anything else is just like trying to halt the tide

Why are Brexitiers moaning about what they have "won" ?
You can't argue with stupid. The UK doesn't come close to taking in the most significant numbers of refugees and asylum seekers, but they get upset. They point to the days of Empire, but ignore the legacy of Empire as a significant part of the draw.

This is a joke post, right?!
Sorry, hard to tell on here anymore and sarcasm never converts well in the written word. 😁
On the off chance you're serious - um, we have left already.

Sense of humour failure or revelation of ignorance ? 😉

We are a tiny island nation with more people per square metre than France.We get criticised for having an immigration policy which entry yet Australia and New Zealand have always had strict entry rules for immigration there. Even when they had vast acres of empty land and they were tempting people in they still had rules. Now these rules are tighter and they only want people who can fill defined shortages in the skilled labour market which seems reasonable. We deskill our own people by not providing training opportunities because it's cheaper to import trained labour from other countries then use shortages in the skilled labour market as a reason to bring more people into our crowded island. We must start paying, through taxation to skill up our own people, then concentrate on allowing genuine asylum seekers and people escaping wars entry.