To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

If people have proven themselves to be idiots they’re going to be labeled as such.

Stupidity doesn’t have to be terminal, there is treatment, it’s called educating yourself

Give them all residency straight away so they are able to work and pay tax and not be a drain on the government? They come here to work. We need workers. Let them work?

Most arrivals are men. That can’t be a racist observation. Or fascist. Or intolerant.

What is it with the squealers tonight? Just like Napoleon’s pig chorus - lucky no one’s arriving in the UK cos it’s a liberal democracy or anything.

I’m sure you shouters would be much happier in 1936. In Italy or Germany. Maybe Moscow.

They could be classed as being on "workers on a government employment programme"

The UK has higher numbers of illegal immigrants

I know a few in the mh system and a few on a personal level friends and family help each other out it’s just what is is done in many immigrant communities

many people will know someone and not aware particularly if you live in cities

there are many jobs that pay cash in hand we have a new estate being built close to where I work and always there are workers lining up early in the morning for work I know this pays cash

the UK also has a reputation of cash jobs being plentiful

It's not. More people seek asylum in Germany, France, for instance. Those travelling to the UK may be doing so because

• they grew up in a country which was colonised by the British and they speak English so they hope to settle / find work etc more quickly
• they have family and friends in the UK who can support them
• they work in an area where there is high demand in the UK so they hope this will help them settle

It’s not young, fit men who are clogging up our hospitals, it’s the elderly who are taking up hospital beds they don’t need when they should be in their own homes with appropriate social care or in homes that are well staffed. The NHS is getting it in both directions, can’t discharge he elderly who are draining their funding because there is no social care due to lack of funding,

I often why they want to come here the country is on its knees, no housing ,

NHS impossible to see doctor, never mind getting hospital treatment, child poverty is at a all time high, schools running out of money. Europe is in a much better state then us so why would you risk you life to come to this shit show.

It is not illegal for an asylum seeker to use what would usually be an illegal route. This is specifically covered in the UN charter that the UK has signed up to.

98% of boat migrants in 2021 claimed asylum and 61% were successful. So only 2% were committing an illegal act coming by boat. Just 2%! The whole narrative of “illegal migrants” swamping the UK is a Pritti Patel/Braverman special and we all know politicians never lie tell alternative truths, if it fits their narrative.

Exactly!!

Why go for the factory option? Some asylum seekers have skills in areas we need, it would be a dreadful waste to put them on assembly line. Just let them apply for jobs in the same way as everyone else does. Of course they should be paid for their work and so that they can support themselves and their families, and they should pay tax and NI on what they earn.

Personally I think it’s fine for you to ask. I think you saw when the government wanted to help refugees from Ukraine - they did. It’s not really the conundrum it’s perceived to be. Just create a legal and safe route for applications. Furthermore countries such as UK shouldn’t invade other countries - thus destabilising them and creating the refugee crisis in the first place.

They are not asylum seekers they are economic migrants and illegal at that. They originate from France - where they could seek and apply for asylum in France or any of the other numerous EU countries they have passed through beforehand. They do not as they do not get all the free housing and benefits there so they come to the UK as it is a soft touch and seen as the midas touch. I think so far 30,000 have arrived this year alone and this is costing the UK taxpayer 7-8 £Million a day. This is not an opinion it is fact.

More ignorance

They’re asylum seekers if they claim asylum

More asylum seekers settle in France than the UK

Because to someone say from Somalia it’s a country where life is so much easier

things are not great here at the moment but it’s certainly a vast improvement for the majority of the worlds population

and family, language and knowledge of culture will bring people here

I listened to the full Home Affairs Select Committee hearing earlier this week. It was so illuminating, mainly because there were no ministers there following the reshuffle, so all those answering the questions were civil servants who are on the front line of this stuff.

A key point about the influx of Albanians was that they mainly go through initial processing, spend a night in the hotel then leave to undertake illegal work without ever claiming asylum. The committee also hear that the majority don’t stay long-term - just long enough to earn a decent amount of money to send back home. They don’t, in fact, place any pressure on the benefits system because by their very nature of being here under the radar, they’re not entitled to any benefits.

I also spend a lot of time in the crown courts and see these young men making their way through the criminal justice system when they get caught. The huge majority are actually quite friendly and have no criminal records back home, but have come here to work in cannabis factories. Which is telling really, seeing as so many people on Mumsnet think smoking cannabis is fine and not causing anyone any issues..

If people stopped using their drugs, and if men stopped using their trafficked prostitues, we might find the problem is reduced quite quickly.

Asylum seekers I’ve interviewed have been qualified social workers, nurses, doctors, humanitarian aid worker, lawyer, mechanics and engineers to give a few examples.
All stuck in limbo. Waiting. For years sometimes.

Because it’s not all golden there or terrible here despite mn take on the U.K. and EU

Absolutely correct! Those illegals crossing the channel ( those we manage detain anyway) are housed in many hotels near to me.
Always indicative of those hotels are the fluorescent waistcoated security guards sitting outside, at every exit. The amount this country is spending, £7m weekly, is unsustainable when we have as was announced today, a 21% increase in the number of homeless living on our city streets. We should primarily look after our own first.
NOBODY that arrives here undocumented or who crosses the channel illegally, should be allowed to stay at all.
It only suits those members of the glitterati of independent means, those who generally aren't on the front line, or needing housing or needing to see a GP. Our social infrastructure is stretched beyond reason. The people of this country deserve better.

Yeah, we could put them in stripey suits and little hats...And if they are too old or sick we'd just....hang on, didn't Germany try that one a while back?

They are economic migrants, since when has France been a place to flee from? Surely they are safe in France so why risk drowning to come here 🤔?? If they were asylum seekers there'd by no need to sneak here on a dingy. They might want the benefits of living in a country like this but it isn't a free for all unfortunately.

@SystemOfAFrowns You conveniently forget to mention that France is 2.3 times bigger than the UK and therefore can much easier absorb it.

Most do stay in France.
look at the numbers.

I have a lot of contact with refugees here in Sweden and their reasons for coming to this specific country are varied and sometimes illogical. But people who are fleeing their homes cling whatever makes them feel safe(r).

It can be strong ties, like family or having studied there. Or weak ties, like my neighbours cleaners son is there or they watched an episode of Pippi on youtube. Which sounds bizarre, but if it's all you've got, you'll cling to it.

Sometimes it's safety, or perception of safety. I hear this one a lot in Sweden. Lots come here because they think it is the safest country to flee to. Others, because they think it's country least likely to send them back.

I met one man who was a politician who fled his African home after his children were murdered because he opposed those in power. He ended up here because he stowed away on the wrong ship. He was only supposed to be going to a neighbouring country.

@JaniceBattersby I have never referred specifically to cross Channel migration, but I have often talked about the demerits of cannabis with my students. Liberal school. I am quite a popular teacher (if I say so myself) and they often mistakenly assume that I would be relaxed about cannabis. I am anything but relaxed about illegal drug taking, the myths about it not being harmful and its place in the trafficking on vulnerable people. I know I have successfully opened a few eyes most year. They just don't think about it. It is so easy for them to be ethical vegans with a Stop Climate Change T-shirts and not actually reflect on their own choices.