Page 15 | To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

JudesBiggestFan · 2022-10-30T19:31:36+00:00

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

Rummikub · 30/10/2022 22:05

No to ID cards.

We already have enough wats to prove identity.

Employers already carry out a right to work check.

Black economy won’t change as a result of introducing ID cards- it avoids the legalities obviously.

Keyansier · 30/10/2022 22:05

yerdaindicatesonbends · 30/10/2022 21:50

It still just strikes me as a very odd thing to say. If it were a thread about global warming, sure, would have made more sense in that context.

I mean I could have come in and said ‘never mind immigrants, we need to plant more trees’ but that wouldn’t have made any sense would it? So I struggle to see how you’re comment was remotely relevant which is why it has been taken out of context when discussing the movement of large groups of people.

And I consider it an extremely flippant comment under any circumstances btw.

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Your response is very bizarre to me.

And like I said, David Attenborough and other 'leaders' have said similar so surely that makes your understanding of his comments and opinions on the subject flippant too.

Hawkins001 · 30/10/2022 22:05

Could they be processed and as a question, would it be feasible to build a large factory or a large base and give them all work to do, sorts like a factory system, products and materials are shipped in then goods ect are made and shipped out ?

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 22:06

MongoOnlyPawnInGameOfLife · 30/10/2022 22:04

So not all of them are idiots, just most of them (as you said). Just for having a different opinion to you. Not sure that makes it a lot better. Do you caling people that achieves anything other than causing more division, more entrenched beliefs and more fuel on the fire? Has it ever made anything better because, despite being an idiot, I'm fairly sure it never has.

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What else would you call posters who think:

Asylum seekers need to seek help in the first safe country

That there are legal entry routes for Asylum seekers

That Asylum seekers are illegal immigrants

That the UK is under no obligation to help those who claim asylum

lllllllllll · 30/10/2022 22:06

Autumnisclose · 30/10/2022 22:02

We need ID cards and an economy that doesn't rely on cheap labour paid in cash.

I’ve read numerous (and utterly vile, in my opinion) posts on this very forum where people are perfectly happy to continue with the current economic model - where many people, usually immigrants, are paid a pittance for carrying out countless menial jobs - because it makes life less costly and more convenient for Brits. It’s a repulsive attitude and one that I’m shocked that so many people hold.

Doubtmyself · 30/10/2022 22:06

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 21:49

How angry and rude are you? Weird. Why are you so raging it’s not normal.

Again. If you make it easier by offering legal routes do you think dropping the barrier of treacherous water crossing would impact numbers wanting to come here?

It’s a pretty big barrier isn’t it, having to risk life. So give an idea of how many people you’d need to accommodate if a safe and legal route was established.

Per day is fine.

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You wouldn't be accomodating anyone, its a processing centre in France.

If you pass you get green, you make your legal means to the UK, if you get a red you're stuck in France.

travellinglighter · 30/10/2022 22:06

sst1234 · 30/10/2022 19:54

Why do we keep insisting on this myth that the majority of the crossings are by asylum seekers? The asylum seekers are all stuck in the camps in Lebanon, Turkey and Pakistan. The crossings are mostly by economic migrants. Until we accept this, no serious solution can be found.

Almost all of them claim asylum and 80 % are found to have a valid claim. So that’s nonsense.

oakleaffy · 30/10/2022 22:06

Phantomb · 30/10/2022 21:55

I work in an area dealing with unaccompanied asylum seeking so called ‘children’. We rarely dealt with them until the massive influx since May/June this year, over spill from Kent. Most have date of births of 01/01/2005 or 01/01/2006. Many are age assessed as being over 18 within a few months or disappear from their foster placements.

They have to be booked in for comprehensive medical assessments with a consultant paediatrician and the added costs of interpreters within 4 weeks of arrival. Jumping the queue that other children are on for years. Referred for TB screening etc. They refuse to attend or disappear shortly before due to fear of age being figured out and the appointment is wasted.

The vast majority are Albanian and they all have the same ‘reason’ for seeking asylum. It is laughable and I actually hate my job now. Absolutely soul destroying. My disabled DS had to wait 2 years to be seen by the same team.

Whst should happen is that we have patrols picking up these boats (they can’t avoid radar!) before they set ashore and towing them back to France. They are France’s problem as they entered France. We have never been a Schengen country and have a hard border.

Until we have a government that will stand up to the French and play hardball we will remain the laughing stock of the world.

Agree with you..Albanian drugs gangs are a real problem, and UK govt seemingly just rolls over and accepts them.
We need skilled people, not criminals entering UK.

Fladdermus · 30/10/2022 22:07

Are people really wheeling out the old racist trope about the boats being full of young men? Of course they're full of young men. In a war it's the young men who'll be first to die. If, god forbid, I ever found myself in a war zone I'd sell my soul to get my son into one of those dingies.

OhSunnyMorning · 30/10/2022 22:07

I don’t know, but we need to be able to have a sensible conversation about it without someone shouting ‘racism’ after about 30 seconds

Very much agree.

Doubtmyself · 30/10/2022 22:08

OhSunnyMorning · 30/10/2022 22:07

I don’t know, but we need to be able to have a sensible conversation about it without someone shouting ‘racism’ after about 30 seconds

Very much agree.

Might have something to do with immigration being the number one obession of the far right? Just a wild case

Supersimkin2 · 30/10/2022 22:08

Debating this is as impossible as being stuck in a storm in the Channel on - or out of - a dinghy.

Extremists shout down the sane.

Priority is for the UK taxpayer (that’s everyone on both sides) to stop funding people trafficking.

Return 75 per cent of illegal entrants: young single men from safe countries. Pay hard attention to all the other arrivals - if you’re desperate enough to take a lilo across the sea, you deserve a fair hearing. Ask charities for support, not the council.

Kabalagala · 30/10/2022 22:08

Fladdermus · 30/10/2022 22:07

Are people really wheeling out the old racist trope about the boats being full of young men? Of course they're full of young men. In a war it's the young men who'll be first to die. If, god forbid, I ever found myself in a war zone I'd sell my soul to get my son into one of those dingies.

And women and children don't tend to fare will being trafficked across continents and oceans...

ToGanymedeAndTitan · 30/10/2022 22:09

Fladdermus · 30/10/2022 22:07

Are people really wheeling out the old racist trope about the boats being full of young men? Of course they're full of young men. In a war it's the young men who'll be first to die. If, god forbid, I ever found myself in a war zone I'd sell my soul to get my son into one of those dingies.

So true, I have two teenage boys and you'd want them to safety, they're still so young

MarshaBradyo · 30/10/2022 22:09

Doubtmyself · 30/10/2022 22:06

You wouldn't be accomodating anyone, its a processing centre in France.

If you pass you get green, you make your legal means to the UK, if you get a red you're stuck in France.

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Ok how many? Same as now or more

Given that right now it’s risking life to get here do you think the numbers to be processed will increase if it’s easier?

Just some figures on what is expected. Part of the problem is no one talks about it calmly with figures, how can people think ok that sounds reasonable with an unknown.

HRTQueen · 30/10/2022 22:10

are we really going to pretend people don’t claim asylum who it wouldn’t be granted to. Not everyone is a bigot who is questioning what should be done.

the uk and Europe and the US offers some hope of a better life not just financially but freedom and a chance to support families back home as this is expected of children

the world is changing people have always moved to gain a better life but now with people being able to stay in touch much easier and contacts made
it’s encouraging more to take on the risks

money invested into such countries would be far more beneficial but it’s a long term fix not a short one

in the meantime France and UK need to work. Water together to bring justice for those running these high risk trade of being people over

Whizzi24 · 30/10/2022 22:11

I don't understand why the UK is so much better than France, and other continental European countries, that people want to risk their lives taking small boats across the channel. Can anyone explain why? Is it because the benefits here are so much better?

The UK isn't better, which is why there are more asylum seekers in Germany and France.

MongoOnlyPawnInGameOfLife · 30/10/2022 22:11

SystemOfAFrowns · 30/10/2022 22:06

What else would you call posters who think:

Asylum seekers need to seek help in the first safe country

That there are legal entry routes for Asylum seekers

That Asylum seekers are illegal immigrants

That the UK is under no obligation to help those who claim asylum

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Well I wouldn't call them idiots to their (virtual) faces because, as I said, that helps no-one and always makes things worse. Maybe you're not here to try and make things better though, or to try and persuade people round to your way of thinking, in which case no worries, insult away.

HRTQueen · 30/10/2022 22:11

Work better

travellinglighter · 30/10/2022 22:12

roarfeckingroarr · 30/10/2022 20:14

We can't take this many asylum seekers. Send them back to France. Turn the small boats back when in international waters. Kent's f*cked right now.

Legal immigration for people with skills we need? Brilliant. Encourage it.

How do we do that safely and legally? The Royal Navy has refused to do that because it’s illegal under international law. Post world war 2 we have trained officers in the military to refuse orders they know to be illegal. It avoids us going down the Nazi route.

Whizzi24 · 30/10/2022 22:13

Hawkins001 · 30/10/2022 22:05

Could they be processed and as a question, would it be feasible to build a large factory or a large base and give them all work to do, sorts like a factory system, products and materials are shipped in then goods ect are made and shipped out ?

Would you pay them? Otherwise it's slavery.

yerdaindicatesonbends · 30/10/2022 22:13

Keyansier · 30/10/2022 22:05

Your response is very bizarre to me.

And like I said, David Attenborough and other 'leaders' have said similar so surely that makes your understanding of his comments and opinions on the subject flippant too.

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I understand them fairly well and all of the other resolutions they talk about in depth actually, which like I said, is always what I lead with, rather than just going around quoting a snippet of a solution when it’s not required or relevant.

I don’t see how what I’m saying is bizarre but then neither do you so que sera sera on that one I guess.

Figgygal · 30/10/2022 22:13

I don't understand why the UK is their desired final destination its a pretty shite place to be these days. What makes us so attractive to these people over the safe countries theyve travelled through?

yubgummy · 30/10/2022 22:13

There is no safe way for asylum seekers to claim despite the French offering to let us open a processing centre on their soil. If we did that then we could process them and keep out the undeserving.

I support this, but it would require us to explicitly say no to a lot of people instead of hoping they just don't show up. A lot of people who will hand on heart swear that they are gay or victims of modern slavery or trafficked or desperately ill in need of treatments not available at home or under 18. (I would too in their situation even if not true because why wouldn't you? There are levels of desperation that aren't quite at the level of UN refugee but still harsh.)

Are we ready to deal with that?

Rummikub · 30/10/2022 22:16

Figgygal · 30/10/2022 22:13

I don't understand why the UK is their desired final destination its a pretty shite place to be these days. What makes us so attractive to these people over the safe countries theyve travelled through?

Look at the numbers.
uk has a tiny percentage compared to other countries.

It’s a lie that ‘they’ all come here.

Uk needs to have proper legal routes. And work with France and the rest of Europe.