To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

[JudesBiggestFan]

But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

Jesus wept.

Anybody who is fleeing persecution is a legitimate asylum seeker, no matter how they got here. You can't expect people to 'stick to legal routes' when those are so narrowly defined as to be unavailable to many people in genuine need.

For much of the last decade, European countries have somehow contrived to declare Afghanistan, of all bloody places, a safe country while fighting a war there. The hypocrisy is breathtaking.

My Dsis is an immigration officer processing asylum claims. There is a huge turnover of staff in immigration assessment departments, because of the workload and the distressing things they hear about have to research/corroborate.
When she started the role, it was a 6 month training programme, to learn the relevant laws/processes etc, she joined with a cohort of 14 and only 5 completed training as the rest found it too harrowing/stressful/underpaid. 2 years in and she's the only one left.
If the government wanted to clear the backlog, they could pay immigration staff more, and recruit a couple 1000 more officers to assess the claims.
Dsis is offered overtime every weekend to be bused down to Dover to help process new arrivals - it must cost a fortune. Just employ more people!

Well seeing as multiple people have said that the reason all these people come here is because they get so badly treated in France and other countries, it sounds like we are the only ones playing (and being played) by the rules anyway, so yes, fuck international law.

Yep

asylum allowance isn’t ‘benefits’

How generous we all are and meanwhile on another thread, pages were filled with people who cannot afford these things.....

Healthcare
You may get free National Health Service (NHS) healthcare, such as to see a doctor or get hospital treatment.
You’ll also get:
free prescriptions for medicine
free dental care for your teeth
free eyesight tests
help paying for glasses

PS. what to do? Letting people work while in processing would be a start.

How do you square this with the fact many other countries in the EU and outside the EU take on far more asylum seekers than we do?

It's the hostile environment. The system is shit by design.

@ProFannyTea Norway have used dental checks for age and they do DNA tests on people claiming to be relatives. Teeth and gums are good forensic tools for age. They have often found that husbands are brothers, children are unrelated and all sorts of other goings on. People lie. We need to stop pussy footing around this problem and realise that it is our duty to catch them so that our resources can be focussed on the true asylum seekers.

Yes, we do. Check the government website for a breakdown of what asylum seekers get in financial handouts. As well as free accomodation of course.

You say potato, I say....

I literally have no idea why you and others are taking apparent offence to what I said. The world needs less people on it. That's it. I didn't say once anything about culling, forced sterilisation or wishing that a percentage of the population died - you've completely made that up.

Maybe allow them to work when they get here? Well over 1m job vacancies open

Re terminology:

aylum seekers are seeking asylum

refugees have been granted asylum

www.redcross.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/how-we-support-refugees/find-out-about-refugees

Give over 🙄

Maybe ask the people who are saying that this is the reason they all come here rather than claiming asylum in the first country they come to?

Please don’t spread dental age assessment myth as fact - the British Dental Association are absolutely against it.

“The Association has vigorously opposed the use of dental X-rays to determine whether asylum seekers have reached the age of 18, stressing they are an inaccurate method for assessing age.”

Longer extract here:

“And in the UK the British Dental Association (BDA)has already pushed back firmly on using x-rays to assess age. In a press release in October 2021 the BDA said:
The British Dental Association has welcomed reports the Home Office has reconsidered plans to introduce the use of dental X-rays to determine age in asylum cases. The Association has been campaigning against the roll out of dental age checks for migrants, working closely with the Refugee Council, alongside other healthcare bodies and opposition health and home teams.
It is expected government amendments to the Nationality and Borders Bill will still give significant latitude to the Home Office to define in due course what constitutes ‘robust’ and ‘scientific methods’ of age assessment. On that basis the BDA will continue to seek amendments to the Bill to rule out radiographic tests.
The Association has vigorously opposed the use of dental X-rays to determine whether asylum seekers have reached the age of 18, stressing they are an inaccurate method for assessing age.
The BDA also believes that it is inappropriate and unethical to subject people to radiation when there is no health benefit for them.”

If that’s the case then it was a very odd place to say such a comment. You added nothing else, just came into a thread about immigrants and stated there needed to be less people on the planet. So if you’re not going to think about what it is you are saying maybe consider time and place.

@WhosafraidofVirginiaWoolf
They are absolutely not.. genuine. It's becoming a ducking joke in Kent costal towns and many locals have had enough

I used to believe these people should be here. They wouldn't do it unless they had to etc. But then I started a job which bought me in close contact with some of these people , correction men. They are mostly men .

Many of them are economic migrants who see the UK as an escape. OK, I get that. But what that equates to is earning cash and never paying tax and milking the benefits system for every penny.

It's out voiceless poor who pay the price. The people sat in B and B's waiting for a council house when the list has just got longer, because where do people think these people go? It the people in Kent towns who have to deal with the daily influx of these people that pay the price. But until it's on everyone's doorstep then no one cares. As long as the middle classes get their cheap builders and cheap nannies then no questions asked..

Huge numbers of people arriving , no idea who they are, what their background is and very easy for them to vanish.

I agree with you OP. Something should be done to stop this. 1000 people today is 1.5 million in 5 years.

Quite. Nobody will convince me the thousands of young men flooding into Dover in small boats every weekend are all genuine asylum seekers in need of refuge. The greatest percentage now are Albanian which as far as I am aware are not fleeing war or persecution and crossed a number of safe countries to get here. What locals are seeing on the Kent coast is akin to an invasion and sooner or later it will reach boiling point. Today was just a lone fruit loop with a few duff petrol bombs.

It is by design.

Compare what the U.K. takes to the rest of Europe or the world. U.K. had low numbers of asylum seekers comparatively.
Turkey, Pakistan and Lebanon take the most.

i has some training on this and the stats are shocking. I was upset by what I’d heard.

@BewareTheLibrarians Well Norway have used the method as part of the picture. That is not spreading myths. It is a fact. As we have had men in their 30s with receding hairlines pretending to be 14 or 15 years old, I think we are entitled to consider using it where it might be appropriate.

Have you seen the lines of illegal immigrants coming off the RNLI lifeboats ?

I literally prefaced my (very short) comment with "Never mind immigrants". I thought people would be able to put two and two together and know I was talking about the population as a whole, immigration/immigrants aside, but apparently not.