To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

@Redruby2020 We rent, my husband’s not British and as you say, he has to prove his right to live here every time we renew the tenancy. How are these unregulated landlords allowed to carry on? This also fuels the cannabis farm and exploitation problems. Why is there no regulation? (That q is not directed at you btw, I’m just shouting into the void and hoping that someone will notice how government failures are contributing to this entire mess.)

We don’t hand out any benefits to asylum seekers. Or illegal immigrants.

@Croque Indeed they do :

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/28/asylum-seekers-uk-hotel-moves-home-office

Yes! Folkestone is full to capacity with hundreds of refugees in hotels. It's bloody awful..

Because they are clearly not so desperate to 'escape' from where they currently are that they can't afford to be a bit choosy about where they end up.

It doesn’t matter if they’re genuine asylum seekers

Thats for the authorities to decide

They are however still asylum seekers and have rights as defined in law

But they are costing the UK a lot of money that could be spent on the population living here who are paying in

Because there’s no obligation to.

Because they are often beaten by border guards in EU countries.

Because even if they arrive in France, if they can’t access housing (therefore no job and no money) it’s no longer a safe country for them.

Most of that’s been covered in the thread already. I’m going to start charging for repeats 😁

Me too.

How is that slavery???

If people break the law to come here, getting food and shelter in a legal way is better.

Then the law needs to change.

And?

Do you know who else costs the UK lots of money?

Everyone earning under 40k a year, as unless you earn this amount for your entire working life you take more from the state than you pay in, and that’s just in terms of the NHS!

Every cycle we need a new bogeyman. The last big one was Muslims in all shapes and sizes from terrorists, to grooming white girls, to brown girls groomed by extremists online to fly to Syria and join ISIS, banned from returning to the UK and their passports cancelled.

For a while now Farage has turned to the boats coming over the channel, its perfect. A visible threat , symbolic images of Johnny Foreigner literally invading our shores. As usual the Mail and other rags have joined the latest bogeyman we can all blame our shit NHS, high mortgages, fuel and the general shitness of the country on and ignore the actions of our leaders, the actions of the global corporates and super rich that have turned this country into a playground for them to do whatever they please at our expense.

We could solve the problem in a day, open a legal route to the UK in France, fund a new department to process it and take it away from the inept Home Office led by that clown Suella

You go ahead an petition for a change in international law

Are “they” costing that much money, or is Home Office inefficiency costing that much? (It’s the second one.)

Asylum claims are supposed to be processed within 16 weeks. That went up to 18 months, now for some people it’s been over two years. That countless months in hotels, unable to work.

Vs an efficient system with claims processed within 16 weeks, out of hotels, able to work and contribute via taxes and reducing unemployment.

I don't understand why the UK is so much better than France, and other continental European countries, that people want to risk their lives taking small boats across the channel. Can anyone explain why? Is it because the benefits here are so much better?

Also, to those saying we need workers, do we have statistics on employment for those who arrive by small boats? And how many earn enough to be net contributors? I understand they cannot legally work for a long time, and then after that many may choose not to work. Certainly, if they don't speak English, then their opportunities for employment will be limited.

@rockingbird That was my point.

Sure but at least they are paying something in, paying council tax and many have bought houses and not expected social housing

Students have huge debts at university etc

If you opened a legal route can you give an idea of numbers arriving?

There seems to be a lot of anger on this thread but surely if you are envisaging a new system you have an idea of the capacity you’d need to accommodate

Plus VAT on everything

Yeah, let's become a fucking rouge state, fuck international law and watch the pound and our economic standing plummet to somewhere more like Belarus....Great idea!

@SystemOfAFrowns We don’t hand out any benefits to asylum seekers

You are very much mistaken ;

www.gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get

Barely any of the people crossing on dinghies are women and children. In the overwhelming majority of cases almost all of them are young men in their late teens and 30s, many of which pose as minors. If you had a legitimate reason to be here why would you destroy your ID on arrival and pretend to be a minor?

I remember a few years ago when one migrant was attending a secondary school and was exposed when a child posted his picture in Tictok asking why there was a 30 year old man in his maths class. Why was that man posing as a child if he knew he had a legitimate reason to be here?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6451575/Adult-asylum-seeker-posed-child-treated-child-British-authorities.html

The solution to that is to pay a decent wage to get the people already in this country working and to encourage all those nurses and teachers who have quit the profession by not treating them like shit, rather than stealing them from places like Nepal.

Or maybe we should just get used to getting our Amazon deliveries in two or three days, rather than next day and prioritise the jobs that actually matter. It's not going to kill us.

But he didn’t say what you said did he? He added two other possibilities before that one which are actually entirely feasible and possible if government cooperation took place. Do I think that will ever happen? If we’re lucky yes, but I have my doubts.

So I will always start with those, rather than just flippantly wishing a percentage of the population no longer existed, because what would you see as the solution to that? Culling? Forced sterilisation? Think about what you’re saying.