To think that something has to be done about the immigration crisis?

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But I don't know what? More than 900 people landed in Dover today, as I discovered when reading about the terrible petrol bomb attack on a detention centre. Detention centres overcrowded, more than 7 million pounds a day being spent on hotel rooms for illegal immigrants, horrendously slow processing of applications...people drowning in the channel and local people feeling angry and frustrated because of the strain on services. Not to mention the mental health toll on people living their lives in limbo! So what is the answer? Because I just don't know anymore but it feels like the system has completely broken down.

The government doesn't want to do anything about immigration. If they did they would set up a safe and legal route and work with France. They would allow newly arrived immigrants to work rather than keeping them in poverty especially as we have a workers shortage. There is lots they could do.

They like everyone talking about immigration it gives them someone for the country to blame for the monumental mess they've made of the last 12 years and whilst you are talking about immigration you are not talking about how crap they are.

Why would they want to change it when they get so much out of it?

Do people really believe that every single one of those 900 who arrived today are genuine asylum seekers?

What do you think the allowance of Covid and slow/wrong decisions and jabs is all about 🫢 but that is my personal opinion and experience of it, and unfortunately for those who hate to think it, there are many others with the same views.

My French friends tell me that they are disallowed from claiming benefits for several years in France and this makes the need to reach the UK even more compelling. How is it that the French were allowed to negotiate this but we provide benefits upon arrival (however paltry). These are the only kinds of deterrant that may change something. Expensive deportations are a non starter.

Can I just ask the people passing off asylum seekers as criminal gangs and economic migrants why they are not incredibly ashamed that our laws and policing are so lax that our country is a go-to destination for cannabis farms and sexual exploitation? I posted above how girls and women are being trafficked into the UK to work in forced prostitution. Silence.

You don’t see them as they’re trafficked through airports and sea ports with real or fake documents but they’re here. They need help. They need people like you to understand the reality of trafficking, and not just pass off the results of crime as “economic migrants”.

Interesting those that are usually rabidly anti foreigners use the language of the right wing press....Farages sweethearts. Always illegal immigrants. Worth noting that there is no way asylum seekers can enter the UK legally, thats what this present, vile government have ensured. If you have kids, just think what its like living in a war torn country....I would do anything to save my kids...would you?

@HelloMrBond How do they arrive in a legal way 🤔 lol, they all come in the same way. There isn't a chartered boat lorry or plane that brings those in with real cases lol, they just apply once they get here

Nail. On. The. Head. Do people even know that France has offered to set up a processing centre in France to process asylum seekers before they reach the UK and the UK government refused? People know this, right??

@BewareTheLibrarians I think we can all feel huge concern for these young women, whilst also being aware that the vast majority of of people arriving by dinghy are men.

@Cornettoninja I'll leave you to ponder then as I've moved on

@BewareTheLibrarians yes it was that. Asylum seekers. Lost. Beggars belief it really does

@Genevieva did you read my post that explains how they boys/men also trafficked to work in cannabis farms and other pretty horrific situations? Is there no concern for that?

Maybe they should be made to do so many hours work volunteering for a roof over their heads, and meals. Until they find a full time job. But I think our country is in a bad way. We seem to hand out benefits to every one that enters the UK while taking away money off our disabled.

That's partly right, but they are then out to work being given work by those who have had the wool pulled over their eyes, or those employing illegally. They stay with family or friends who some have got legal stay here, and they are out working cash in hand, and paying for a room in a house of multiple occupancy let out by landlords who do not check as they should be, since 2015/16, that the person has rights to even be in the UK in the first place 🤦‍♀️

The way in which this thread is filling up suggests that there is an appetite for discussion. However, it is not as if there are unidentified solutions out there waiting to be discovered. The range of solutions are long established and widely known. Instead of addressing them, politicians have been selling us a pup about how they will deport, close borders etc. It is (And always has been) vote-winning nonsense.

So slavery?

And it's only going to get worse. Doesn't matter if they are asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, economic migrants or whatever their reasons are for getting on those boats. We cannot afford it when we cannot seem to even look after the people that are already in this country and we certainly don't have houses for anyone, regardless of where they were born. We should be able to, but until someone unfucks our failing economic system, then that's the way it will remain.

We also don't need an exploitable workforce coming in from abroad and depressing wages simply because we refuse to pay a decent wage in the first place, or to train or retrain people who are perfectly capable of doing the job and already here. We don't have an employment crisis, we have an unwillingness to work for shit wages or for people to pay a realistic price for stuff crisis.

@Redruby2020 those are illegal immigrants and as you have said living in HMO’s and not hotels.

@BewareTheLibrarians It doesn't make granting asylum the answer. There are other answers, like closing down the criminal networks, denying them slave labour and working with the Albanian government to improve opportunities at home and warn these young people of what happens to the people who are enticed to travel to the UK under false pretences.

I think we should be demanding better solutions to these issues, and not saying we should start cutting the population. It is like using a crow bar to screw something together.

People often say this, but would not want their families or friends to be the ones who are cut from the population. The limitations should only be for strangers.

Some do live in hotels. I have seen it for myself.

Yes that makes sense

Why are asylum seekers not claiming asylum in the first safe country they reach
instead of all crossing the channel to the UK ?

Population decline does happen as fertility rates drop. It doesn’t have to be taking people out literally.

And I thought Xenia meant “hospitality”. Do you understand your username?

“The Greek god Zeus is sometimes called Zeus Xenios in his role as a protector of strangers. He thus embodied the moral obligation to be hospitable to foreigners and guests. Theoxeny or theoxenia is a theme in Greek mythology in which human beings demonstrate their virtue or piety by extending hospitality to a humble stranger (xenos), who turns out to be a disguised deity (theos) with the capacity to bestow rewards. These stories caution mortals that any guest should be treated as if potentially a disguised divinity and help establish the idea of xenia as a fundamental Greek custom.” - en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(Greek)

Xenia would suggest you also can’t afford not offering hospitality to strangers. Might be someone important in disguise…

The majority are male Albanians claiming to seek refuge having been given a half a tank of fuel to get them across the French border to be picked up by our UK border force.. I pass this place they are being held in on the school run daily.. many are fleeing the holding site and filtering into our illegal underground system daily. I see this whilst driving past with my own eyes. We are stretched to full capacity here and its souls destroying what's being allowed to go on.