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Does Sunak hate women?? His new Minister for Women Appointment is 100% anti-abortion.

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Rainbunny · 30/10/2022 11:30

Just learned that Sunak has appointed Maria Caulfield as his Minister for Women! This is an MP who voted against legalizing abortion in Northern Ireland and wants the time-limit for abortion in the UK reduced. She has stood up in Parliament and lied, outright lied with a nonsense claim that fetuses born at 18 weeks have lived long and healthy lives - 100% untrue. She is against buffer zones outside clinics and she's a past officer of a pro-life, anti-abortion organisation.

WTF!! This is who Sunak thinks will look out for women's interests? 90% of the UK public support legal abortion, 1 in 3 women will need an abortion at some point.

There's a lot we don't actually know about Sunak and what sort of man he is but we're learning quickly...

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Ekateri · 30/10/2022 23:56

YellowTreeHouse · 30/10/2022 12:19

So much hate and vitriol from the pro-abortion people. It just makes me even more certain in my views.

It's nor pro abortion love, it's pro not making women incubators and prioritising women's health, physical and mental

How are you unable to understand that?

Shunter350 · 31/10/2022 00:04

Sunak is trying to appease his backers and supporters. The Conservative Party leaders are completely and utterly out of touch with "ordinary" people. There will be another implosion soon.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/10/2022 01:44

DoubleDinnurs · 30/10/2022 21:28

So they do know what a woman is, but still don't give a fuck about their rights.

Hopefully the penny will finally drop now.

TBF, not all of them do. Quite a lot believe that some women have a penis. That's why the Tory party introduced Self ID and wrecked our rights with their trans-inclusuon policies. Like the ones that put male rapists in women's jails.

Tory contempt for women and attacks on our rights come from all the directions.

Slothtoes · 31/10/2022 03:51

And as well as the small matter of the ruination women’s rights to operate equally in the world without the responsibility of parenthood as men can naturally do, thus restricting women’s equal freedom of life choices in their jobs, relationships, sex, housing, and in providing sufficiently for the children that they already do have…

Let’s not forget that back when abortion was not legal and women could not decide whether or when to become a mother, that thousands of babies were simply abandoned or they were given up for adoption via the legal route.

Women who were unmarried and pregnant were stigmatised and could be sent without any choice to mother and baby homes to be pregnant and give birth in shame and secrecy, then the baby taken away to be given anonymously to new, more socially respectable, ie married parents.

The trauma caused by the legal restrictions on abortion, rooted in the misogynistic and anti-child religious belief in the ‘legitimacy’ of birth within marriage only; is still playing out to the people affected by it. See the forced adoption enquiry recently completed in Westminster.

What decent human being would ever want to take women and children back to that trauma, by making abortion unavailable again?

See: The Violation of Family Life: Adoption of Children of Unmarried Women 1949–1976 – Report Summary. Report by the House of Lords and House of Commons Committee report, with recommendations to government.
publications.parliament.uk/pa/jt5803/jtselect/jtrights/270/summary.html

Yes, we all know that forced adoption continued beyond the very first legalisation of abortion 1967 but very strong misogynistic cultural and religious attitudes don’t change overnight.
So in most countries including the UK, access to abortion even once made legal, is usually at first very difficult to get until attitudes change.
Eg where abortion remains socially very stigmatised, in the health care system among NHS service commissioners who might otherwise fund abortion, among women who might otherwise choose abortion and among the doctors who might otherwise choose to be providing it. Leaving many women with no other choice but to bring babies into the world that they couldn’t keep or weren’t allowed to keep.

Access to abortion in Northern Ireland has only recently been legalised, for example, which is a source of historical national shame for the entire UK. And access to abortion in Northern Ireland is still not as straightforward as it should be even now.

None of which is to say that state financial support and legal protections for women who have babies now in the UK is perfect now that attitudes to abortion have moved on for the majority of people- it isn’t perfect by a long shot- and it should be improved to give women more choice to keep babies if they want to. Pro choice means pro choice.

SorenLorensonIsInvisible · 31/10/2022 14:04

BigWillyStyleandPrincessKate · 30/10/2022 12:12

I don't understand why the people who shout the loudest about abortion are never the ones shouting the loudest about healthcare, benefits, food poverty.

It's almost like it's literally about punishing women and nothing to do with 'saving babies'

Yes and would be the first to tell people not to have children they can't afford.

stopitstopitnow · 31/10/2022 15:27

It's not just the "minister for women" who those of you who are thinking of TTC. The welfare chief Mel Stride has this little plan up his sleeve.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1586805612649889793

stopitstopitnow · 31/10/2022 15:35

Missed so words off the first sentence....It's not just the "minister for women" who we should be worried about, those of you who are thinking of TTC are also in the firing line. The welfare chief Mel Stride has this little plan up his sleeve.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1586805612649889793

FarmerRefuted · 31/10/2022 16:04

"At least the Tories know what a woman is... she's a drain on businesses and the economy and so should be forced out via restrictions on maternity leave".

Pieceofpurplesky · 31/10/2022 16:13

FarmerRefuted · 31/10/2022 16:04

"At least the Tories know what a woman is... she's a drain on businesses and the economy and so should be forced out via restrictions on maternity leave".

Maternity leave which we aim to cut and pregnancies that we will force to continue ...

This could run and run

LexMitior · 31/10/2022 16:16

It was asked about today, in the Commons. Stride denied it, but he is pro watering down maternity rights, which did not substantially exist until Labour came into power.

Still, good job we took back control and not just a group of regressive right wingers who would like to remove base protections for women.... oh wait

Blossomtoes · 31/10/2022 16:19

I said they’d go for maternity rights next. I’m so sorry to be right.

ParsleySageRosemary · 31/10/2022 23:01

If they succeed women should go on sex strike. We won’t, but we should. It’s always all about punishing women for the consequences of having sex: while men should have more, as is their natural right, and no woman should be allowed to refuse.

LaGioconda · 31/10/2022 23:50

YellowTreeHouse · 30/10/2022 12:19

So much hate and vitriol from the pro-abortion people. It just makes me even more certain in my views.

Is there any danger of you actually giving a substantive answer to the points people are making? It's so easy to accuse people of hate and vitriol, not so easy to justify your opinions, is it?

Endwalker · 31/10/2022 23:52

Sex strikes are worthless for many reasons.

Firstly, the type of men who would deny a woman her right to choose are also the time of men who would deny a woman the right to refuse, there is a huge crossover between "a fetus has rights" and "a man/husband has rights".

Secondly, it implies sex is a reward that women bestow upon men. Its not. I enjoy sex. Why would I punish myself too? Female sexuality is about more than pregnancy and keeping men happy so that they'll grant us rights.

My rights should be fundamental, not conditional on me opening my legs.

ParsleySageRosemary · 01/11/2022 09:55

In evolutionary terms, female sexuality is all about pregnancy. It was in social terms too until just a few years ago and the invention of the pill. Abortion, I would argue, brings that to a head, as it is usually about the health of adult living women versus the health of a potential life.

Men need to remember that there are consequences and get this deranged entitlement out of their heads. Men who will not control themselves but feel entitled to ignore the health of adult women are purely on a power trip. Let them worry about the potential life of each sperm instead.

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