Does Sunak hate women?? His new Minister for Women Appointment is 100% anti-abortion.

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Just learned that Sunak has appointed Maria Caulfield as his Minister for Women! This is an MP who voted against legalizing abortion in Northern Ireland and wants the time-limit for abortion in the UK reduced. She has stood up in Parliament and lied, outright lied with a nonsense claim that fetuses born at 18 weeks have lived long and healthy lives - 100% untrue. She is against buffer zones outside clinics and she's a past officer of a pro-life, anti-abortion organisation.

WTF!! This is who Sunak thinks will look out for women's interests? 90% of the UK public support legal abortion, 1 in 3 women will need an abortion at some point.

There's a lot we don't actually know about Sunak and what sort of man he is but we're learning quickly...

Napody the whole interview can be found on a you tube link - it's in MN web chats section.

But basically he agreed that woman's services in the nhs are inadequate, woman's rights are important and he will fight for them as it's taken a long time to get them.

Well said.

She did.

But she also has dreams of sending vulnerable people to Rwanda.

There's no accounting for some folk.

Yup, these amazing Tories who “know what a woman is”. That knowledge doesn’t achieve much for women’s rights.

Yes Badonoch - also minister for woman and equalities is anti abortion.

You can't make this shit up

"At least the Tories know what a woman is.....she's a walking incubator who deserves the stigma of an unwanted pregnancy for daring to have sex "

Why does anybody think Sunak is progressive. He's pro Brexit, a deregulation enthusiast and has appointed a lot of very right wing and anti progressive women to positions of power. He's the common denominator here, and he doesn't appear to give a damn about it.

Why would he though? His multi billionaire wife can use her green card to go abroad to get an abortion if she chooses, if abortion were to become less accessible here for women.

He's a greedy money grabbing man, who married up to satiate his ambition and greed for fortunes.

If any non billionaire thinks Rishi is on their side for anything, they're gonna find out they'll be sorely wrong about him.

A non-life. What the hell is that? I put a life before someone’s right to take it away. Most people have the option of birth control to prevent a pregnancy in the first place. Once their is conception and another life is formed, it’s not just about someone’s control over their body, is it?

I can't compel you to give blood.

I can't force my sister to give me a kidney. These things also save lives but we give people bodily autonomy.

You could be watching someone die and the exact blood type they needed and no one could legally force you to do something that would take literally minutes to do.

But around the world female children can be raped by their fathers and forced to give birth to babies that will destroy their bodies. Why do you think that is?

I don't think that This Week's Prime Minister hates women. I think that he, like his recent predecessors, has one priority: keeping his party together, and saving his arse from the hard right within said party. What happens to women, poor people, people with health needs, the young, the old, the country in general is all very secondary to appeasing all wings of the party, including the nutwingers.

It definitely is still about someone's control over their body when that "life" is reliant upon it for survival. The only person who gets to second whether they want to give their body over to supporting it is the owner of that body. If they say nope then that means nope. A fetus is not alive, it cannot sustain life on its own. Even a "heartbeat" at six weeks isn't a proper heartbeat, its just rudimentary cells pulsing - you could put cardiac cells in a petri dish and they'd pulse like that because that's what they do.

No birth control is 100% effective and even a wanted, planned for pregnancy can turn into an unwanted pregnancy because life changes.

Right or left, whichever way we look women are going to lose.

For all we know, Sunak has right wing views on society as well as the economy. It does explain his appointments rather better than a need for party unity.

He couldn't have been that socially liberal, he went to Winchester and had a conservative family who came to Britain from India. None of that sounds very socially progressive at all.

The abortion act of I think 1967 ended the scourge of criminal backstreet and self induced abortion, which caused the deaths of many women, and many more cluttered up hospital beds. Are we wanting desperate women to go back to that? I don't.

So they do know what a woman is, but still don't give a fuck about their rights.

Hopefully the penny will finally drop now.

@Bluekerfuffle

Why would you take away a woman's choice like that? I'm truly curious.

Why would you inflict the emotional pain that a child goes through when they inevitably realise they were unwanted by their parents?

If you were pregnant, found out you were going to have a child with severe disabilities (for which you had to be the full time unpaid carer for the rest of your life), which would eventually cause the breakdown of your marriage, friendships, career, and financial stability, leaving you nothing more than a shell of your former self, would you be happy not having the choice to terminate and being ultimately condemned to such an existence for yourself? If you say you would be happy to such a life, then have you ever been a carer before? Paid or unpaid in a 24/7 capacity?

Also, do you currently support more taxpayers money being spent of NHS maternity services, education sector, children's health services, social services etc? Or would you support further austerity measures to these services?

I can't believe there's actually people out there discussing whether a woman should have choice over what happens to her body or not.

I was so disappointed in the USA Rode V Wade laws change, and how many American women now have no or very limited access to abortions depending on which state they live in. Hopefully UK will NOT follow in their regressive footsteps.

The echo chamber of thinking women should have bodily autonomy? I mean what’s next? Should we make sure we have racists and conspiracy nuts view points featured in discussions.

People have forgotten why it was so dangerous and had to be legalised. Back street abortion was dangerous and the people who offered it could be sexual predators who exploited young women who knew that they would be condemned for having sex outside of marriage and being pregnant.

Men, men like John Christie, and Fred West offered abortions to young women. If you don't know who they are, then they provided abortions, sexually molested their victims and then killed some of them. They knew well that the poor women who wanted not to have a child had nowhere else to go, and could not object or go to the police.

My grandmother once told me that the only reason she married my grandad was because she was pregnant and that she "knew a woman" but was too scared to go see her so marriage was the next option. They eventually got divorced after many miserable years together and more DC because he wouldn't let her get a prescription for the pill however as it was prior to the Guardianship Act his parental rights took priority over hers (women didn't get equal parental rights until 1973) and he blocked her from taking the DC with her when she went.

Know what she wanted to do with her life? She wanted to emigrate to America, she wanted to work, she wanted have one or maybe two DC, and she wanted to be happy. Instead she ended up married at 18, didn't go to America, didn't get a job, lost custody of the three DC she had, and wasted the best years of her life tied to it all.

Unwanted pregnancy limits the opportunities available to women.

YABU

How dare Sunak trivialise and squander women’s representation like this.
In the best case scenario; Caulfield in that post is completely wasting what could be an important role that women need at this time when we are most particularly impacted by this Tory cost of living crisis.
In the worst case, I absolutely dread to think what she could do.

Fine take that ‘life’ out and grow it in a lab - fully formed adult women and girls take precedence over a potential life ALWAYS

It's fascinating that whenever this is discussed, it's always denying women the right to their bodies and forcing them to go through pregnancy and birth, which is still a very risky process and can be damaging and even cause death.
Why make women go through with this and yet there are no repercussions for the men involved who can just walk away. Men who could have raped, pressurised or deceived women into having unprotected sex with them.
If you're going to go down this route then make the men responsible too. Ensure that they pay fairly for all children they have until that child is an adult. The rates of protected sex may increase then.
Abortion should always be allowed in the case of rape.