To think that medical professionals should not be cutting off the breasts of teenage girls?

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twitter.com/ChoooCole/status/1586016843088601088?s=20&t=oQb2o7XLCvcTpf-dGzhBIw

"My breasts were beautiful, now they’ve been incinerated for nothing. Thank you, modern medicine.”

Chloe Cole's story is heartbreaking.

AIBU to think that this is medical abuse and that we should not be doing this to children?

Problem is that we are being told constantly to not discuss it. Keir Starmer, Nicola Sturgeon, Patrick Harvie will not discuss it.

What can be done!!????

YANBU Anyone doing this to a teenage child should be jailed! 🤬

I really hope she ends up in prison too. She is a true monster.
I wonder if she would be happy to share a locked cell with a male rapist who ‘identifies’’ as a woman?

It is so sinister when you think about it.

Someone towards the start of the thread wanted to shut it up too by talking about 'women frothing' about anti trans stuff on a Sunday morning.

The only reason they want no debate is that it can't be debated, because once it is you can see pretty fucking clearly that there is no scientific basis for this 'healthcare' especially when most of those seeking it come from vulnerable groups.

I wish someone in the Media would ask Keir Starmer some pretty straight questions about the Cass report and the LP views on this issue.

It's absolutely disgusting. I can't believe that healthy children's bodies are being mutilated because of a cult and it's going unpunished. If gender is fluid, why allow children to make such drastic and irreversible changes before they have capacity?

FGM and breast ironing are condemned by western society, but when it comes to lopping off healthy body parts, as long as it's in the name of gender then it's applauded.

I genuinely believe this is the greatest scandal of our time and there will be documentaries in 10 years trying to uncover how it got to this stage.

We can’t take politics out of this, so can we remember that we’ve had Tories for the past 12.5 years so, if you want to ask questions, I can’t remember Cameron, May, Johnson or Sunak being held to account.

I agree with PP that we’ll wonder what happened to allow this in children.

I really struggle to believe that this person didn’t realise that a double mastectomy would make breastfeeding impossible.

Maybe in part because of the idiotic, anatomically illiterate use of the word 'chestfeeding'? 'Breast' is a neutral, unsexed term (men can get breast cancer), there's no need for this insidious change in language, which reduces 'breasts' merely into a secondary sexual characteristic rather than the organs which make us mammals able to feed our young.

No one can complain they weren’t told though. Doctors’ organisations, governments, politicians, child protection services etc, all been made aware. No one can plead ignorance.

And in the US, where this abuse is being committed on minors, it's continued under both Republican and Democrat administrations.

@ErrolTheDragon quite. I think discussions would be more fruitful if we didn’t bring in politics into this. But then all is politics, so just an extra layer of confusion and resistance.

I've read tweets and reddits from FTM transitioned who believe that they can grow their breasts back by just stopping T and taking supplemental oestrogen because men can grow breasts by taking it.

It is completely unrealistic to believe that the average 11-18 year old can make decisions that affect their physical health, mental health and fertility for the rest of their lives.

The things I would have done at 15 if my parents had allowed me to! I am so glad that they didn’t.

I agree with the PPs who have mentioned hormones making you crazy. It wasn’t until I came off the pill that I realised that it was the route cause of my awful moods and depression.

Every time I see 'puberty blockers are just a pause innit', anywhere now I just see red. It's total fucking bullshit.

Fucking around with the highly delicate endocrine system of a perfectly normally developing pubescent child is so wrong. We all know the effects messed up hormones can have on the body, in some cases it can be really serious and huge. You don't just give pubescent child powerful hormone blocking drugs for a few years, then they come off them and carry-on as before. That's not how human bodies work.

For starters, puberty is a very important time for brain development, it goes through huge brain maturity development during this time. That's why there is such a big difference in maturity even between a 13 year old and a 16 year old. If you block that, you have a child who is getting older, but whose brain is not developing properly. If you ever watch Jazz Jennings for any length of time, this can be seen in real life. Jazz also has big problems with their weight which has also contributed to their poor mental health. This is partly due to an eating disorder, but also possibly partly due to their endocrine system being so messed up.

Also, puberty is a time when your bones start to harden and become denser. Again if this doesn't happen, or is unnecessarily delayed. it will have lifelong consequences. Children with severe anorexia in their teenage years who do not go through puberty properly as a result have osteoporosis later in life because their bones are so weak. Nikki Grahame is a well publicly documented case of this. We know that women develop osteoporosis in later life as well because of lack of oestrogen in their bodies.

Giving children hormone blockers for precocious puberty does of course happen, but even in those cases, where it is being used to treat an abnormal endocrine system, there have been documented problems. Crumbling bones and heart problems for starters.

These are not drugs to piss about with. The narrative around puberty blockers, that they are 'a harmless pause' is incredibly dangerous. I can't believe anyone still peddles it to be honest.

And that's without considering that if they truly did just give 'time to think', then a significiant proportion (larger than 1-2%) would just come off them and not go onto cross sex hormones.

And that's without considering that if they truly did just give 'time to think', then a significiant proportion (larger than 1-2%) would just come off them and not go onto cross sex hormones.

I’ve had this witheringly explained to me by my teens as ‘That’s because they only give blockers to people who know they’re trans so obviously they won’t desist.’

I’ve found the best response is a very mild ‘Crikey, you must have a lot more faith in medical science than I do.’

Faith is right. It's a religious position, fundamentally.

Everything should be suspect where you are taking a drug or having any kind of procedure because of feelings. Feelings aren't illnesses.

Of kids know as young as 2 they are trabs they why would they even need to pause. They know right?

So either kids know who they are and blockers are the first step in transition.

Or kids don't know who they are they need extra time to figure it out and if they don't know then we shouldn't be making the decision for them by administering blockers which sends then down the transition path.

Which is it

Utterly disgusting. And then to top it off, we call it ‘top surgery’ as if to minimise what’s a mastectomy. Horrendous.

I agree - they are ALL accountable. I mentioned the others because those are the parties I have voted for personally in the past and feel completely betrayed by.
But yes. They are ALL accountable.

We have but Sunak has stated that he will follow the Cass report and that he doesn't believe TWAW and that women's rights matter.

Starmer has stated that TWAW and hasn't said much about trans healthcare for children. I would like to know his views.

That's the point i was making.

We are battling children and young people/young adults, who have been indoctrinated behind our backs by the internet and by schools to believe that humans can actually change sex, that artificial cross hormones are safe to use on young healthy bodies and that we are evil if we ask questions.

How do we combat this?

I’ve had this witheringly explained to me by my teens as ‘That’s because they only give blockers to people who know they’re trans so obviously they won’t desist

Bit of an own goal then isn't it because that means that they are part of the transition not a pause .

I long for the day people realise that every explanation actually debunks what was said before. It breaks the cases it never makes them

@tkmethrthis I get it now. I thought he’d said something like TWAW in law but he supports single sex spaces. Anyway, LP need to be less mealy mouthed about it. It’s just the tone of these threads when they veer into politics, which invariably they do, is about what Labour might do, than what the Tories have done these past 12 years.

Anyway, LP need to be less mealy mouthed about it. It’s just the tone of these threads when they veer into politics, which invariably they do, is about what Labour might do, than what the Tories have done these past 12 years.

Definitely agree.

I'm a long time LP voter, it is disappointing, especially in the light of the findings of the Cass Review, that in order to appease the likes of Ben Cohen at Pink News, Starmer isn't stating that he will protect children and young adults from physical harm.