To think that medical professionals should not be cutting off the breasts of teenage girls?

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twitter.com/ChoooCole/status/1586016843088601088?s=20&t=oQb2o7XLCvcTpf-dGzhBIw

"My breasts were beautiful, now they’ve been incinerated for nothing. Thank you, modern medicine.”

Chloe Cole's story is heartbreaking.

AIBU to think that this is medical abuse and that we should not be doing this to children?

This is a scandal. I don’t know what I can add to what’s been said. Too young for such irreversible decisions.

I am honestly on the fence about this.
I remember going through some gender identity crisis as a teen and my mother thought I was repulsive for doing so. She was very abusive in many areas so I knew it didn't reach her approval.
I had and do have body dismorphia but I absolutely adore being a woman now and thinking about the ways u can experiment, however I still have questions about masculinity that I don't know how to address.
Gender identity is not clear cut and I can very much resonate with 'I am Jazz' if anyone knows what I am talking about. I have a huge amount of empathy and compassion for that girl.
I'd like to say that children questioning their gender should make body modification choices when they reach 18 plus but I don't think it's that easy. People DO change their mind about their gender later on, but I know what it's like to be suicidal across life, but a whole heap of that could be to do with traumas and being sexually abused from a very young age.
I think a compromise could be validating a child's feelings about gender dysmorphia but NOT allowing them to make permanent body changes until older. That is the only positive, validating way that I can think of. Some thoughts about life and how you want to progress can not be suppressed. They don't just go away. Some do obviously, but children need to be heard even if surgery isn't allowed. I think that's the healthy way.
I know from first hand experience how it is to be a square peg in a round hole.
However, if I had a decent, non abusive childhood where my parents listened to my wants, needs and existentialism the gender dysmorphia might have been alot milder or possibly non existent (for me, who knows if it was triggered or produced due to sexual molestation... I am NOT saying this is the case generally).

@Proteinpudding
Don't waste my life with your nonsense. I expressed an opinion about a single issue, as I am entitled to do.
@anyolddinosaur
Parents who are bullied into going along with trans-abuse deserve sympathy. Parents who say their babies in the womb, infants, toddlers, primary school age children are 'trans', they should feel the full weight of the law. Also anyone who takes their child to be castrated or to have breasts removed
@SwordToFlamethrower
I'm very sorry. I hope she comes to her senses soon.
@Charcy
It's always better to know the truth. That woman's sister works with her. My God, who are their parents and what happened to them in childhood to let them find their actions now acceptable?

Shout, women. Shout and scream. You know, the house is burning and our children are inside.

Poor Jazz Jennings , who has said he would have been happy as a gay boy.

Apparently the family are worried about his weight problems. As well they might be ; this fabulous revenue stream would dry up without him. But ...talk about ' comfort eating".

Jazz Jennings who has never dated, cannot have an orgasm and is a medical patient for life. Not exactly a good advert for puberty blockers and SRS.

Of course YANBU. These people are taking part in child abuse.

I hope these “doctors” get sued and struck off at some point.

As for that woman saying agree with my ideology that saw my son castrated at 16 otherwise your child will commit suicide. I hope and pray the police will eventually find something that will send her to jail for a very long time.

in the next few years we’re going to see increasing numbers of 20 somethings who have suffered abuse at the hands of this ideology suing those who mistreated them and failed to protect children, relationships with parents destroyed and the realisation the effects of normal teenage feelings have led to lifelong disfigurement

I know one teenaged girl who has had a double mastectomy (for the purposes of gender affirmation surgery not for other medical reasons) and she is quite clearly still a teenaged girl - she does not look in any way masculine.
I saw her from a distance and had instinctively identified her as a female, and then when I got closer I realised who they were and felt so incredibly sad that they’d undergone such painful, radical surgery to still look like a girl.

Another thing to consider is how this impacts on future intimate/ sexual relationships. Not only have you removed a part of you that can be caressed and aroused, but who are you going to attract? If you’re a lesbian or heterosexual how easy will it be to find partners? Or are you only going to be entering into relationships with other transmen? Do transmen want to have relationships with other transmen? It all feels a bit confusing.

Further down the line of course it means being unable to breastfeed if you had wanted to do this. This affects the mother-baby dyad.

One positive I can see is reducing your chances of breast cancer.

One positive I can see is reducing your chances of breast cancer

Only if they didn't bind before. If they were binding that can damage and break down the breast tissue making removal of the cancer harder. Removal.of breasts may provide a false sense of security in that sense

There was a post on my
Local Facebook the other day, about someone who's daughter had come out as trans. At a very young age. The amount of people who were validating and signposting to mermaids was horrifying.

Shouldn't the parents be held more responsible than the surgeons? Presumably they have to consent to non emergency surgery for minors.

What people are prepared to do to their kids without research. On trust. It fucking kills me.

Fucking hell. I don’t know whether to cry or vomit. That poor poor child.

I think we should stop all this madness of self ID, indulging kids who say they're trans, calling people they/them, worrying about misgendering etc. It's basically creating an "option" for troubled teens.

Since the dawn of time puberty has been accompanied by angst and uncertainty, looking for identity, trying to find their "tribe", searching for something that will make them feel complete and so on. We all dyed our hair, pierced our ears, wore crazy clothes, had unsuitable relationships - all the usual teen stuff.

Nowadays teens are led to believe that if they feel unhappy or troubled, it might be because they're in the wrong body. The grass is always greener! We need to stop the madness and remove this as a mainstream option.

I think there is a teeny tiny minority of people who genuinely feel they were born into the wrong body, and benefit from gender reassignment surgery. Everyone else just needs some counselling to get to the bottom of what is really bothering them.

I’m so sorry that happened to you

Given the money going into promoting the ideology behind this, I am now convinced the sudden rise in trans identification is the result of criminal psychological manipulation of the young and the vulnerable. The medical profession, particularly the NHS which is spending taxpayers money, has a duty of care to ensure that no one is given harmful experimental cosmetic surgery before they receive considerable psychological therapy. Where possible surgery should always be avoided and it should never be used on children.

Thanks, @DodoPatrol. That is sweet.
I wanted to offer a counter argument but it's all so tangled up.
I think it is possible for a person who has not been abused to have gender identity issues but
I honestly think there needs to be much more research into it.
I personally think it possible for your brain not to match the body you are in.
More research, more research.
Something that made me very emotional and feel huge compassion was a new article (possibly the independent news) that I read about a (now) old man that knew from very young that he was a female. He has now transitioned and lives happily as a woman where he can enjoy combing his long hair and put makeup on. He said he tried it decades ago and got horrible abuse where people threw things through his window. He said that now there is more awareness and it is an easier life and their is less abuse albeit some. Their (don't know pronouns) photo in the paper brought me to tears. Why shouldn't they live as a woman if they so please?

Sorry referred to this individual as 'him' mostly.

Totally agree.

I really struggle to believe that this person didn’t realise that a double mastectomy would make breastfeeding impossible.

I couldn’t agree with you more. She’s an abominable, amoral individual and should be nowhere near children.

@witchesbubblebath I think there's a lot of mileage in exploring just why so many girls and young women are actively rejecting their female bodies. Even for girls who haven't directly experienced abuse, it must be terrifying growing up with a female body in this hyper-sexualised, pornified world and all of the expectations of young women that come with that. I have total sympathy for girls who want to 'opt out' of their female physicality for their own self-protection and in order to feel some sense of safety in the world.

After Freddie delivered Freddie’s second child they, via Instagram, asked for donated milk. Freddie cited the reason they couldn’t breastfeed was because of nipple placement post mastectomy and IIRC blame was directed at the doctors for this. There was a staggering lack of appreciation that if breasts are removed, breastfeeding won’t happen, irrespective of where the nipples are.

Yes but it is more important to force this ideology on youngsters because otherwise you are just another Karen who needs educating. Basically mutilating kids is okay now.

I’m hoping and praying a lot of these people end up in prison once society comes to its senses and acknowledges what is happening to children,

I was distraught at being a brown skinned child in an entire school of white children. Wanted to be white so badly that I would have jumped at the chance of taking something to make me whiter.
Should I have been given skin bleach? Any doctor who would have done so would have been jailed.