To think that medical professionals should not be cutting off the breasts of teenage girls?

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twitter.com/ChoooCole/status/1586016843088601088?s=20&t=oQb2o7XLCvcTpf-dGzhBIw

"My breasts were beautiful, now they’ve been incinerated for nothing. Thank you, modern medicine.”

Chloe Cole's story is heartbreaking.

AIBU to think that this is medical abuse and that we should not be doing this to children?

I was listening to a podcast yesterday. The guest was comparing the satanic panic and false memory scandal to the modern day psychological treatment of "trans" children. I thought it was a compelling comparison. One day soon this will be looked back on in a similar way. It's horrifying.

There are no trans kids. It isn't a thing.
There is non conformity, which can distress children, homosexuality, asds and misogyny etc. But no-one is born in the wrong body.
No-one has a brain that's a different sex to the rest of their body.
There are two sexes.
And Humans can't change sex.

Yes we have done this to girls

We have removed their rights to have their bras fitted amongst other women and girls only.

We have removed them from.discussions about their own lives akd their own bodies. They are simply owners of breasts/vaginas/cervix now.

We ram parodys of womenhood in.feomt of them.celebrating men in revelling outfits with bigger fake boobs than they will ever have.

Now we are profiting from the removal of the " problem " except we created the problem

Obviously YANBU. It's horrific child abuse.

A great many conditions have been invented in order to sell drugs and procedures. This is only one.

Look at Sidhbh Gallager's Instagram account. She is a doctor in the US who specialises in double mastectomies for teenage girls. She uses hashtags such as #yeettheteets.

Her account is absolutely chilling and I really hope she ends up in prison one day.

A great many conditions have been invented in order to sell drugs and procedures. This is only one

I dont understand why stuff like this is such a blind spot. Adults are so suspicious of anything that results in handing over extra money to companies/people they are already convinced are ripping them off. Everything from mobile phone contracts to extended waurantees to service plans, treated witg nothing but suspicion.

Yet when the consequences are permanantly altered bodies undergoing irreversible procedures all with high rates of complications meaning more money more visits more surgeries and no one is remotely concerned as to how much money they are bringing in to the inner circle of gender surgeons

I don't know how Biden can ignore these dreadful stories.

He had an interview with Dylan Mulvaney who has been a woman for a grand total of around 200 days where he slammed Republican attempts to ban 'trans healthcare' for children, which in the US is children having double mastectomies.

In my opinion HE is complicit in this.

Is this genuinely happening in the UK to under 18s or is it just scaremongering? I'm not in the UK, but I'm very surprised at the idea of this being done to under 18s anywhere outside the US, except in extreme circumstances.

You are quite right, OP. No-one should be cutting the breasts off young women. It's mutilation. No young person can give 'informed consent' to such serious self-harm. It's like giving someone a pass note to kill you - it wouldn't (I hope) stand up in court.

I long to see the day when the butchers who cut off girls' breasts go to trial and to prison for a long, long time. Likewise the ones who cut off boys' penises. And the parents who guide their children into these abuses.

I see the woman I most loathe is mentioned in a post above. I avoid mentioning her name in case of falling foul of the law. But if anyone deserves a place in hell...

@Loopyloopy intervention of this kind is banned in the UK for under 18s (and still extremely difficult to get for over 18s, and wouldn't be done without a long lead up including counseling and living as the opposite gender)

The US is a private healthcare system with the motivation being profit. There are many things wrong with it, though unsurprisingly this is the only area you see highlighted on Mumsnet.

I haven't any examples to hand, sorry.

But this isn't a 'not in my back yard' issue. I don't live in the US but I'm a woman, a mother and I exist on this planet. All daughters are my daughters and I care. I care if they're being mutilated by FGM or by trans-affirming surgeons. In the UK, in the US, in Australia, in Europe - wherever this is happening it must be stopped. Women have to do this, no-one else gives a fuck.

Yanbu. Absolutely. Particularly distressing if autistic girls who are very susceptible and generally don't like change and find puberty distressing normally and don't fit the stereotypical girl due to being autistic.

Nor should children under 18 have balls and penis removed.

Nor should they be given medication that we know causes physical problems later in life.

@StopStartStop I agree that women are treated awfully in US healthcare, but why only this issue?
Poor woman in the US are denied all kinds of life saving treatment
Women in many areas of the US are denied the right to an abortion
Rich women are conditioned to take up unnecessary medical treatment such as the over medicalisation of mental health issues, routine cosmetic surgery, weight loss treatment

Mumsnet has a very narrow focus when it comes to the US health system though. Wonder why that is.

YANBU. It’s absolutely appalling. A double mastectomy of healthy breasts is the result of an ideology that is regressive, homophobic and misogynist.
No child is ‘born in the wrong body’ and needs significant cosmetic surgery to look as if they are a different sex. They need empathetic support and counselling in order to go through puberty just as every human is supposed to go through as a natural developmental process.
Children who may discover in due course that they are gay or lesbian, children who are autistic, girls who are afraid of the misogynist society around them, girls influenced by social contagion, and children who have experienced trauma all deserve to be safeguarded. They deserve to be supported through puberty and not pushed into damaging surgery or hormones they do not need.
‘Trans health care’ does the exact opposite of what it proclaims IMO.
‘Gender affirming surgery’ needs to be called what it is - radical and harmful irreversible surgery with long term negative physical and emotional outcomes. Just read what ‘detransitioners’ say.

Agree with all of this entirely.

I hope common sense soon prevails and those on the wrong side of this will be suitably
punished

Mumsnet has a very narrow focus when it comes to the US health system though. Wonder why that is.

Why don't you want us to talk about this?

Whilst there is no doubt that there are other issues affecting healthcare in the US this is a relevant topic.

Especially when we know that there are people/ organisations in this country who would like children here to receive this kind of treatment. Sturgeon is already relaxing laws in Scotland to make access to puberty blockers easier for 16 year olds and we all know where that leads to.

Jesus wept. I don't know if I feel better or worse for scrolling through that.

@tkmethrthis I didn't say I didn't want you to talk about this, so don't try and claim you're being silenced.

I just think it's a really obvious scaremongering thread by the usual Mumsnet anti trans agenda to get people frothy on a Sunday morning.

Until the UK has private healthcare and enough rich people to pay for whatever elective treatment they want, this isnt going to happen here.

Puberty blockers are a completely different ball game. The justification for their use is to DELAY decisions being made. Contrary to the OPs anxiety about decisions being made for children. But that bit of logic wouldn't suit your agenda would it?

I just think it's a really obvious scaremongering thread by the usual Mumsnet anti trans agenda to get people frothy on a Sunday morning.

Frothy?

You think that we are being frothy for being furious that children are being subjected to these surgeries when all evidence points to the fact that for most children who experience gender non conformity it is a phase.

It's not anti trans to discuss detransitioners, they exist.

Puberty blockers are a completely different ball game. The justification for their use is to DELAY decisions being made. Contrary to the OPs anxiety about decisions being made for children. But that bit of logic wouldn't suit your agenda would it?

Puberty blockers are NOT A NEUTRAL ACT. They harm children's bodies. They are the first step to mastectomies and medicalisation for life.

I have an autistic daughter, it is her peers who are being harmed by people who want to hide it or downplay the impact on children.

Children are NOT born in the wrong body. I'm not anti trans but I am anti the ideology that leads to children making these decisions.

I will talk about it on a Sunday morning. I don't fucking care what you think.

Proteinpudding Frothing/scaremongering/usual MN anti-trans agenda - lazy soundbites. Inform yourself, properly, and open your mind to the idea that people who have concerns may actually not be right-wing / fundamental christians / transphobes. Once you've wrapped your head round that, ask yourself why even many liberal left-wing people don't think the current approach is the right one. Forget which morally superior box you think you belong in and take a good hard look at the facts, all of them, beyond the 'be kind' rhetoric.

Until the UK has private healthcare and enough rich people to pay for whatever elective treatment they want, this isnt going to happen here.

Many trans organisations like Mermaids have wanted this option available. It’s only the sensibilities of people noticing their attempts that have prevented the lower age of this occurring in the UK on the NHS. WPATH, a lobby group other countries pay far too much attention to, say it should happen at any age.

Puberty blockers are a completely different ball game. The justification for their use is to DELAY decisions being made. Contrary to the OPs anxiety about decisions being made for children. But that bit of logic wouldn't suit your agenda would it?

Puberty blockers are a treatment. 99% of children who start them progress onto wrong sex hormones. Their use is not about “delay” or “time to think”, it’s Stage 1 of the treatment pathway. Wrong sex hormones is stage 2. Double mastectomy is stage 3.

Have you started any threads about this?

Because otherwise, your coment looks exactly like whataboutery.

And you can get a double mastectomy at 17 in England. 18 in Wales and 16 in Scotland (last I looked).
All teenagers are too young for this. All of them. It's just wrong full stop. Certainly it shouldn't be on the NHS.