To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

[Cuppasoupmonster]

… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

Another one giving examples of sexism

not misogyny

So you don't believe that saying 'not another girl' the day a baby girl was born demonstrates "dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women." (the dictionary definition of misogyny)?

LOL @Millsbills waxing lyrical about posters on MN not understanding words then using “plane” instead of “plain”.

Perfectly said.

@Millsbills

Meh.

As if interchanging sexism and mysoginy is actually the problem.

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How do we empower women to use less invasive methods of contraception? Not arguing, I’m curious.

How do we empower women to use less invasive methods of contraception? Not arguing, I’m curious

Not making them responsible for mens contraception would be a start.

We won't.

Because that would mean men taking responsibility.

And that won't happen because we're ok with blaming women.

The rate of abortion isn't a problem

That doesn’t even answer my question?

What’s the issue with using abortion as contraception though?

You are on a mostly female forum pretty much blaming women for the high abortion rate because we're lazy with contraception and some of us lie to men.

Yes I think you are right to say it's pissed some posters off.

That doesn’t even answer my question?

Of course it does.
Do you honestly think that scientists have not invented a tablet to make men infertile by now? I mean they invented one for women in the 60s why have they been unable to for men?

How do we empower women to use less invasive methods of contraception? Not arguing, I’m curious

If I were as curious as you, I'd start by investigating whether women as a class are actually using abortion as their contraception or whether they are accessing appropriate reproductive healthcare following contraception failure resulting in an unplanned pregnancy.

Because I believe in women having bodily autonomy, it's none of my business really but I understand for some reason there are people out there who like to think other women's abortions are their business.

After that I'd probably suggest a large scale exploration of health policy, wealth and inequality policy, sex discrimination in the workplace, sex and relationship education because women don't make decisions in a vacuum.

But in reality I'd argue that contraception is the responsibility of sexually active men and women, and it's frankly bizarre to be so invested in policing women's bodily choices.

How would you suggest setting up such a study?

And what are ‘less invasive methods’ of contraception for women? Do they exist outside of condoms?

But WHATS THE ISSUE WITH ABORTION AS A CONTRACEPTION?

You didn’t ‘state’ anything. You said, so if I disagree, I must be a man’, which plenty of men say.

Disingenuous bugger.

How would you suggest setting up such a study?
I would imagine that there's plenty of people out there who are experienced and qualified in conducting social studies.

And what are ‘less invasive methods’ of contraception for women? Do they exist outside of condoms?
The internet is your friend here.

We encourage men to always use condoms, surely.

I will certainly be telling my DS and DD to both be 100% responsible for their own contraception. And in the event of a failure of that, there’s always abortion (at least, for my DD).

And because that isn’t an option for my DS, he will 100% be encouraged to always, always take responsibility for his own contraception.

You don't think that there are possible side effects from abortion?

www.compasscare.info/health-information/abortion/abortion-risks-and-side-effects/

That's without the mental toll of numerous pregnancies and abortions.

So what?

If the person who wants to make that choice, makes that choice, that’s … their choice!

No, I’m asking what the OP’s problem with abortion as a contraception is. I doubt very much it’s because of side-effects, and more to do with that pesky misogyny.

Yeah this.

That comment is saying “how stupid are these women to get pregnant”. Completely missing that some abortions are because of medical problems. It does not say, why are there so many abortions when condoms are so readily available for men?

I'd have thought it was obvious that that depends on one's personal stance on abortion. A sweeping statement like 'why does that matter' feels very odd in this context.

Why? The OP said they don’t have a problem with abortion, so why the caveat of the contraception thing?

Why? The OP said they don’t have a problem with abortion, so why the caveat of the contraception thing?

Well, I'd have thought the reason/context for the abortion were relevant.