To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

[Cuppasoupmonster]

… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

See the graph. Size differences are less pronounced than you'd think, strength can be increased in multiple ways, and it's also about skill hence why in fighting sports its not as easy as the taller guy wins every time

Not really. And I've never related to any of that shit- never felt I can't go anywhere after dark or I have to look a certain way etc. You guys live in a different world on here.

@AMorningstar and what would stop men from becoming even stronger?

Not that , well you can improve grip force is an actual argument in what we're talking about.

I genuinely hope however, that your confidence is never dented. (As frustrating as it is on here 😬)

What a take! We'll never stop men hurting people so get extra buff so it doesn't hurt as much? What about young people, elderly people, disabled people or those who have a flight/freeze response.

Shittest take i've ever heard. I don't want to be hit, not be strong enough to fight off being hit.

Grip force is literally just one measure of strength. And given that there aren't anywhere near as many women who lift to even include as men who lift, it's hard to compare overall in a completely fair and just way.

I don't think the average opportunistic bloke is going to get really strong to try and overpower random women. I think most random atttackers are not pre planned pre meditated attacks in that way.

Ah really? I think we’re raising boys to be violent, and that’s where I’d make changes. Rather than ‘if you had better muscle mass and a harder attitude you probably wouldn’t be murdered so much’.

Quite. It would surely be much better for us to realise that male violence is a problem and forms part of a toxic masculinity culture that isn't only damaging to women, but also damaging to boys and men when they are socialised in this culture.

Most random attacks target other men though. Women are more likely to be attacked in the home. So women bulking up will make zero difference, because the violent men will still be being violent.

He won’t though - he’ll just use a weapon. You are out of your mind if you think women being physically stronger would stop them being murdered.

And as I said, it won’t stop the actual problem of male violence.

You forget, though, that most of us have eyes and we can look to the men and women around us rather than focusing on your graph.

Cool but anecdotes aren't relevant.

Why would it though? Why would violent men be suddenly less violent if there was more violence in the house? Why wouldn’t the violent man just think ‘maybe I’ll also work on my grip strength’ or whatever it was?

You guys live in a different world on here.

True.
I live in a world where ...

I was too young to even know it was wrong, much less fight back.

I was too scrappy and strong to take on one to one, so they ganged up on me. All six of them. I still tried. Didn't help much. Boo me.

I was to shocked and fucked up and shamed from the previous incident to lash out at my grandfather. I did run tho. Yay me.

I was really afraid that they would cut me with the blade they had. Even without, they were 3 men in their 20's and I was a 15 yo. Still strong and scrappy, but no match. I did pull myself and ran into the road in front of an upcoming car and that sorted it. Once again yay me.

I froze when my 45 yo math tutor did it in his own house , with his family in the other room , with other girls at the table. My brain did not compute. I could've screamed,made a fuss,hit him. I couldn't do anything though because I couldn't believe it was actually happening. Boo me .

Once again, I'm genuinely glad you don't live in my world and that you have the confidence you do.

@AMorningstar

Using the phrase "run of the mill domestics" is pretty vile tbh.

What is a "run of the mill domestic" please?

@ldontWanna

Fucking hell, I'm so sorry for what you've been through

Who’s using anecdotes?

You are being quite ridiculous. You almost admitted that men are bigger and stronger than women, but then you seemed to retract even that when you found a graph that seemed to minimise this.

Its not worth arguing with you as you’re deluded.

I can’t actually believe that instead of discussing whether misogyny is alive and well (which at least is up for debate as it concerns an abstract concept) we’re instead having to convince you of material reality. It’s insane.

Why female contraceptives?

I think it's a moral issue Pumper because abortion involves ending life.

And do you also think that being forced to birth an unwanted child is a better choice morally?

My teenage son could have over powered me from around the age of 13, if he wanted to.

But don't worry. I've been doing weights and improving my grip! If a man tries to over power me I've got this.

FFS AMorningStar you couldn't be more wrong in your thinking on this.

You are simply victim blaming, this is as bad as the 'what was she wearing' , 'was she drunk' line of questioning that get's rapists of the hook.

In short, it's vile.

I don’t, but then I also think abortion is morally quite sad and complex (and I’ve had one). You can have feelings about something but not want to ‘act’ on them because reasonably you can see that would make things worse, and agree the current scenario is the best one.

Yup Pumper - at least no one is dying. I do of course think more support should be given to women in this situation ... and adoption services should be better funded.

Ah you’re back! Did you see the victim blaming before it was deleted?