To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

[Cuppasoupmonster]

… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

While some of the 200,000+ abortions a year will be down to this, I’m willing to bet most are due to being careless with contraception, and if abortion wasn’t there women would be more careful in general about making sure they’re protected.

no wonder you think the "misogyny card"(1) is over-used. You are over-using yours. I got this far then my eyes rolled so far back in my head that i couldn't read further.

How about you direct some of that "careless contraception" ire at men who are equally responsible (2) for contraception. Frankly i can't face many more pages of this tripe.

If you just wanted to go on an anti-abortion rant, why didn't you?

(1) Do you get a free misogny afer 10 uses? where do i sign up for the card? is it an app or is it an actual card i can wave around irrationally. Do i get double points if i use it when not suffering with PMS but just because I'm feeling grumpy?

(2) could be more than half-half on account of stealthing, rape, coercion etc.

None of this addresses your assertion that women are more emotional than men - when the evidence all around us is that the opposite is true.

Men are are driven by an emotion that many of them cannot even control.

That they are not logical (again - your assertion) - that emotion drives their reactions, and logic goes out the window.

From that link

But Weisberg and her colleagues also cautioned that, while wide-ranging in terms of the number of characteristics, the gender differences they found were only “small to moderate”. This is consistent with the size of the gender differences uncovered by McCrae and others in their large cross-cultural studies, which also tended to be quite subtle. We hear a lot from pop psychologists and cultural commentators about men and women being like different species. In contrast, Weisberg and her team concluded that while gender differences in personality “might be important in shaping human experience and human culture, they are probably not so large as to preclude effective communication between men and women

While the debates about the size and causes of gender differences in personality are likely to rumble on for many more years, it seems reasonable to conclude that for whatever reason, there are at least some differences, however large or modest, in the personality of the average man and woman. But that word “average” is important – whichever study we choose to trust, there is plenty of overlap in personality between the genders. And remember that this is about personality, not all aspects of cognition and behaviour. Indeed, based on her review of gender differences across “across multiple psychological domains” Hyde has argued “that men and women are more similar than different; the distance between them is more like the distance between North Dakota and South Dakota [than the distance between planets]”.

It's not exactly surprising that some humans have things in common with the sex class they are part of, nor is it surprising that there's a large overlap as well.

And that's before dealing with the fairly large issue of socialisation.

study.com/learn/lesson/gender-differences-socialization-impact-theories-stereotypes.html

www.researchgate.net/publication/354532807_Gender_Differences_on_Personality_Trait

link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1011930128829

In other words, it's rather complicated because you've got biological sex differences and a lifetime of socialisation that affects all humans.

@KimberleyClark
No… it’s not that anyone who disagrees with me is a lightweight. (Another straw man!) I’m commenting on the quality of debate I’ve seen on this thread.

Stuff like this is lightweight:

One thing that does get wheeled out a lot on here is the equivalent of mysogyny toward anything with a penis but that’s different because it’s ok apparently.

As is some idea that believing in misogyny is somehow blaming men for any mistake a woman makes 🙄

Then there was the poster who made some random point about ‘some of us have sons you know’ as if that had any bearing on the debate. It’s just bizarre.

Our society is built on sexist structures. If you don’t understand how that fosters misogyny then you are not thinking very hard.

That’s a bit ironic, is it not? Considering your whole argument is ‘I have invented this in my head therefore it is now fact’.

@LolaSmiles lets see your study which shows all behavioural differences are down to socialisation?

Maybe not but there are two or three posters on here who are borderline abusive in their responses, have stretched things I have said to ridiculous proportions, and basically seem incapable of respecting or even acknowledging the fact other people have a different opinion to them. Some of the opinions they’ve made up then tried to ascribe to me are laughable.

She didn't say that though, did she?

She said:

In other words, it's rather complicated because you've got biological sex differences and a lifetime of socialisation that affects all humans.

She acknowledged biological differences and noted that socialisation will also be a factor.

She didn't dismiss biology and say all behaviours are down to socialisation.

Did she?

No but then I didn’t say I wanted abortions made illegal and men who kill women are thinking logically, so 🤷🏼‍♀️

Surely she must have some form of evidence to back up what she said? That’s what she demanded from me ‘STUDY OP’ and I obliged.

@Cuppasoupmonster

That's a little bit rich when you asked which MPs did something and responded in the way you did to a list of 99 of them...

I'm not sure how much use this thread is to you as you're very sure of your position and don't seem willing to be open minded despite being the one who started a thread literally asking 'AIBU'.

Hopefully you get something out of the thread I guess. I don't think you're engaging in good faith or willing to acknowledge other people's views rather than just being defensive, so I'm out 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think the bottom line is that misogyny is generally under recognised in our society. That’s the crux of it. It’s so endemic that people can’t see it, in the same way that a fish can’t see water. Once you do see it, you can’t un-see it.

So it’s hard to take someone starting a thread saying essentially the opposite of this. OP, your thread title is not very helpful, as you know; clearly not everything is misogyny 🙄 The sky is not misogyny. My cat is not misogyny. So no one can literally argue with that rather pointless statement. But it reveals what you’re thinking: that misogyny is more recognised than it should be, and the women are essentially just making a fuss.

But the way I and many feminists see it is that misogyny is endemic and that there isn’t enough recognition on this. That’s it.

I mean, there was even one poster on here claiming that equality between the sexes was a ‘luxury belief’ or something, and we don’t know how lucky we are or something. It’s mind-boggling.

But how does a list of MPs counter what I’m saying? What I’m saying is ‘misogyny’ is misapplied to lot of scenarios on here. All certain posters are doing is pointing at actual misogyny in society and going ‘there it is so you’re wrong!’

I haven’t said it doesn’t exist, I’ve said it’s overused on here.

But its not.

Are you actually capable of responding without putting words in people's mouths?

I think it is.

Yeah

But your example was mysoginist

So kind of says it all.

I don’t think it was.

And 40% of voters agree with me, so not the majority but still a pretty significant number?

Women are conditioned to be kind.

That could explain it.

I think there is alot of truth in your statement op. There is alot of toxicity towards men and boys on mn.Furthermore there is alot of posters who don't get their own way or are challenged/in conflict with a male and it's automatic misogyny/financial abuse etc.

Even male toddlers who are violent are called abusers etc wheras with girls doing similar excuses are made.

Maybe they don't know what mysoginy is either

Plenty women, like yourself, are sexist

🤷‍♀️

Haha!

Or they might just have their own opinions? I suppose that’s unfathomable to you though.

Even male toddlers who are violent are called abusers etc wheras with girls doing similar excuses are made.

😂😂😂😂😂

You are kidding, aren’t you? Maybe once, some fringe poster made this rather mad comment, but you are aware, surely, that the overwhelming trend is for little boys’ boisterous behaviour to be excused with ‘boys will be boys’ and for girls to be judged more harshly?!

We can all dredge up the one-offs. I might know someone who once said ‘I hate men and everything about them’ but that doesn’t mean that man-hating is a dominant trend.

The dominant trend, since the dawn of time, is to trample on women. That is the truth.

op this is mn you were never going to win with this thread but I agree,we support misandry here.

Remember the rules:

1. If they walk behind you they are terrifying you and trying to assert their dominance.

1. if they want to be sensible with cash they are financially abusive,
2. if they are pissed of over something and challenge you on it they are bullies,
3. if a group of men socializes together they are being misogynistic and spend all that time belittling women. That's the main reason they meet up.
4. if any double standard against men is called out on mn or a poster is being nasty to one it's ok as men have caused all the problems in the world since time began so every man must pay,

6.if they are white they are very privileged and live in a mansion...

1. If they chat to a woman in any way they are creeps.
2. if they leave a dirty cup out then LTB.