To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

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… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

@LolaSmiles 7 people out of 646? So just over 1%? Doesn’t sound like ‘a lot’ to me.

You might not have seen but I posted the list of 99 MPs who voted against extending abortion rights in Northern Ireland. So more than one in six.

@LolaSmiles 7 people out of 646? So just over 1%? Doesn’t sound like ‘a lot’ to me.
I wasn't aware it was the job of strangers online to educate you on all details of a topic you're apparently quite interested in, given your deep concern for what other women do with their reproductive systems.

monsteramunch They probably have seen, but will have another reason why it doesn't count, probably followed by another tangent or claim that nobody wants to debate. It's bordering on sealioning at times.

Well even if it isn't misogynistic, it's a pretty damn ignorant thing to say tbh.

I really hope they do acknowledge the message, not because I want an argument (I don't!) but because when someone asks for stats and facts to back up a point, it's really frustrating when they then don't say 'oh ok, I didn't realise that I see what you mean now' or similar and instead choose move the goalposts or say it's not the right kind of evidence. Luckily in this case it's black and white as it is a yes or no vote.

More than one in six MPs voting against extending abortion rights in NI is frightening and something I appreciate many people might not realise, so would be refreshing if when that fact is stared they do take it on board as what it is - a fact.

More than one in six MPs voting against extending abortion rights in NI is frightening and something I appreciate many people might not realise, so would be refreshing if when that fact is stared they do take it on board as what it is - a fact
I'd hope so too.

It's really concerning how many of our current government feel about social issues, especially ones affecting women.

I think when people are so entrenched that misogyny is exaggerated by women, genuine misogyny doesn't happen that often, and women are seeking to blame men for their own problems that sort of worldview doesn't tend to do hand in hand with bring open to seeing the problems of systemic misogyny.

But I live in England! Everything looks shocking if you use examples from other jurisdictions. NI doesn’t surprise me and I’m sure it doesn’t surprise anyone else either.

Ah fuck them then! It’s not in England yet so who gives a shit?

The vote was about NI. But the votes were cast by MPs across the UK. MPs in your country voted against extending abortion rights.

They voted against extending them to be in line with other areas in the UK. If they don't believe it's right for women in NI to have access to those rights, they must not be comfortable with women in the other areas of the UK having access to those rights.

Otherwise why would they cast that vote?

Below is a list that includes the area in which their constituents live, for clarity.

David Amess (Conservative - Southend West)
Steve Baker (Conservative - Wycombe)
Henry Bellingham (Conservative - North West Norfolk)
Paul Beresford (Conservative - Mole Valley)
Bob Blackman (Conservative - Harrow East)
Peter Bone (Conservative - Wellingborough)
Suella Braverman (Conservative - Fareham) (Proxy vote cast by Steve Baker)
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative - North West Leicestershire)
James Brokenshire (Conservative - Old Bexley and Sidcup)
Fiona Bruce (Conservative - Congleton)
Lisa Cameron (Scottish National Party - East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow)
Gregory Campbell (Democratic Unionist Party - East Londonderry)
James Cartlidge (Conservative - South Suffolk)
William Cash (Conservative - Stone)
Maria Caulfield (Conservative - Lewes)
Rehman Chishti (Conservative - Gillingham and Rainham)
Christopher Chope (Conservative - Christchurch)
Simon Clarke (Conservative - Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland)
Therese Coffey (Conservative - Suffolk Coastal)
Rosie Cooper (Labour - West Lancashire)
Robert Courts (Conservative - Witney)
Philip Davies (Conservative - Shipley)
David Davis (Conservative - Haltemprice and Howden)
Nigel Dodds (Democratic Unionist Party - Belfast North)
Michelle Donelan (Conservative - Chippenham)
Steve Double (Conservative - St Austell and Newquay)
Richard Drax (Conservative - South Dorset)
David Duguid (Conservative - Banff and Buchan)
Charlie Elphicke (Conservative - Dover)
George Eustice (Conservative - Camborne and Redruth)
Michael Fallon (Conservative - Sevenoaks)
Kevin Foster (Conservative - Torbay)
Mark Francois (Conservative - Rayleigh and Wickford)
Roger Gale (Conservative - North Thanet)
Paul Girvan (Democratic Unionist Party - South Antrim)
Robert Goodwill (Conservative - Scarborough and Whitby)
Peter Grant (Scottish National Party - Glenrothes)
James Gray (Conservative - North Wiltshire)
Chris Grayling (Conservative - Epsom and Ewell)
Chris Green (Conservative - Bolton West)
Damian Green (Conservative - Ashford)
Kirstene Hair (Conservative - Angus)
Mark Harper (Conservative - Forest of Dean)
John Hayes (Conservative - South Holland and The Deepings)
Lady Hermon (Independent - North Down)
Philip Hollobone (Conservative - Kettering)
Adam Holloway (Conservative - Gravesham)
Eddie Hughes (Conservative - Walsall North)
Ranil Jayawardena (Conservative - North East Hampshire)
Andrea Jenkyns (Conservative - Morley and Outwood)
Caroline Johnson (Conservative - Sleaford and North Hykeham)
Helen Jones (Labour - Warrington North)
David Jones (Conservative - Clwyd West)
Marcus Jones (Conservative - Nuneaton)
Mike Kane (Labour - Wythenshawe and Sale East)
Daniel Kawczynski (Conservative - Shrewsbury and Atcham)
Stephen Kerr (Conservative - Stirling)
Greg Knight (Conservative - East Yorkshire)
John Lamont (Conservative - Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
Pauline Latham (Conservative - Mid Derbyshire)
Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative - Stafford)
Edward Leigh (Conservative - Gainsborough)
Andrew Lewer (Conservative - Northampton South)
Ian Liddell-Grainger (Conservative - Bridgwater and West Somerset)
David Lidington (Conservative - Aylesbury)
Emma Little Pengelly (Democratic Unionist Party - Belfast South)
Jonathan Lord (Conservative - Woking)
Anne Main (Conservative - St Albans)
Rachael Maskell (Labour - York Central)
Paul Maynard (Conservative - Blackpool North and Cleveleys)
Nigel Mills (Conservative - Amber Valley)
Matthew Offord (Conservative - Hendon)
Ian Paisley (Democratic Unionist Party - North Antrim)
Owen Paterson (Conservative - North Shropshire)
Mike Penning (Conservative - Hemel Hempstead)
Stephen Pound (Labour - Ealing North)
Victoria Prentis (Conservative - Banbury)
Mark Prisk (Conservative - Hertford and Stortford)
Mark Pritchard (Conservative - The Wrekin)
Tom Pursglove (Conservative - Corby)
Dominic Raab (Conservative - Esher and Walton)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative - North East Somerset)
Laurence Robertson (Conservative - Tewkesbury)
Mary Robinson (Conservative - Cheadle)
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative - Romford)
Douglas Ross (Conservative - Moray)
Jim Shannon (Democratic Unionist Party - Strangford)
David Simpson (Democratic Unionist Party - Upper Bann)
John Stevenson (Conservative - Carlisle)
Gary Streeter (Conservative - South West Devon)
Desmond Swayne (Conservative - New Forest West)
Robert Syms (Conservative - Poole)
Derek Thomas (Conservative - St Ives)
Ross Thomson (Conservative - Aberdeen South)
Michael Tomlinson (Conservative - Mid Dorset and North Poole)
Martin Vickers (Conservative - Cleethorpes)
Heather Wheeler (Conservative - South Derbyshire)
John Whittingdale (Conservative - Maldon)
Bill Wiggin (Conservative - North Herefordshire)
Sammy Wilson (Democratic Unionist Party - East Antrim)

And for clarity, the list of UK MPs above (not just based in NI, but from all over the UK) are ones who didn't want abortion laws in NI to be amended so that women seeking a termination could no longer be prosecuted and convicted. They wanted seeking a termination in NI to remain illegal.

@Randlehandle

What point do you think is being proven?

Is the term misandry underused? I asked quite an innocent question about difference in parenting styles between men and women and was met with total hostility by the majority of people on there. A couple of women stuck up for me though. But most comments came across to me as misandristic. I was quite surprised. It was my first time using the site and I was excited to get a female perspective.

It’s a meaningless term, why would you want it used more?

Yes exactly that 🙄

ffs.

And OP as a timely example, English MP Maria Caulfield, who voted against extending abortion rights in NI (to decriminalise abortion), supported cutting the abortion time limit across the rest of the UK, and voted against buffer zones outside abortion clinics, was today announced as the government's Minister for Women by Rishi Sunak.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/30/tory-mp-maria-caulfield-minister-for-women-abortion-rights

Maria Caulfield, a Tory MP who supported cutting the abortion time limit and voted against buffer zones outside clinics, has been named as minister for women, prompting criticism from charities and women’s rights groups.

Caulfield, the MP for Lewes, was previously an officer of the all-party parliamentary “pro-life” group and voted against legalising abortion in Northern Ireland.

Harriet Wistrich, the director of the Centre for Women’s Justice, said: “We are horrified that a clear opponent of abortion rights has been appointed minister for women.”

“The vast majority of women want the right to choose,” she added. “Her appointment signals a potential restriction on women’s reproductive rights, which in turn is an attack on women’s autonomy and freedom. We hope Maria Caulfield will keep her personal opinions on the issue of abortion to herself.”

In 2018, when Caulfield was the Tory vice-chair for women, she called for a debate on reducing the 24-week time limit for women to receive legal abortions, describing the 1967 Abortion Act as “one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world”.

So as of today the UK minister for women, appointed by the PM, is someone who was an officer of the all-party parliamentary “pro-life” group and voted against legalising abortion in Northern Ireland.

Did you see the list I posted in response to this, with all the MP's constituencies included? Many of them were English.

No acknowledgement of @monsteramunch ’s posts? How very disingenuous of you.

This may have already been said.

I could easily already happen here under our current laws which already promotes the idea of women being worthy of abortion by the requirement of a 2 dr sign off.

Posted too soon. So in a point of fact NO LAW would need to change, merely guidance around the circumstances in which the sign off could occur. Which has been loosely applied to date.

That’s a very good point, and one I hadn’t considered.

What did you mean, when you made that comment then?

My thread is about how the word ‘misogyny’ is massively overused on here. It’s now descended into hysterical accusations of being pro-trans (I’m not) wanting abortion to be made illegal (I don’t) and now plucking examples from a different jurisdiction which is irrelevant to my original point. Presumably because England and Wales aren’t shocking enough to prove ‘everything is misogynistic’.

I agree with you. Sometimes it's appropriate but it's overused a lot. Everything that involves someone being mean to a woman isn't misogyny.

I thought you wanted the thread to be about different topics?