To think not everything is ‘misogyny’

[Cuppasoupmonster]

… and that the word is massively overused on here?

I’m getting quite tired of it if I’m honest, it feels like every other conversation the ‘misogyny’ card is whipped out and anyone who disagrees has ‘internalised misogyny’ (um no I just have a different opinion).

It’s becoming the ‘BeKind’ of feminism. Overused to the point it’s getting meaningless and irritating, and just used to ‘win’ any kind of nuanced topic without any proper discussion.

AIBU? 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Cuppasoupmonster

What does that have to do with your nonsense point about complex debate?

Why do I get the impression you think 'feminists' is an insult?

Such nuance!

Irresponsible, immoral, what else? Getting pregnant by mistake and aborting is entirely different to not using contraception and thinking screw it, I will just get an abortion. That is the view point I am coming from. I'm not sure why you are keen to keep pushing this. If you think it's fine to do, then good for you, I don't.

But that makes zero difference to the abortion. It’s still a termination regardless of the feelings of the people at the point of conception. So we’re back to good abortions and bad abortions, worthy and unworthy women. Which is a dangerous way to look at healthcare.

I think in a resource-constrained society there are more useful things for the physically stronger sex to be doing than handwashing clothes. I also grew up in a third-world country where people don't whine about not having perfectly equal gender roles because they have bigger things to worry about. In the scheme of things gender equality is a luxury belief. We are lucky to live in a society where we can consider these questions.

Re: abortion. We can advocate for continued decriminalisation in the legal system without making our argument rely on the fringe position that all abortion is completely fine with no moral implications for anyone ever under any circumstances. Come on.

I don't want to see this become a black-and-white issue in the culture war. It's a nuanced and complex balancing of competing rights and the majority of the population hold some kind of intermediate position. Hardline framing is not helpful.

@Pumperthepumper So we’re back to good abortions and bad abortions, worthy and unworthy women. Which is a dangerous way to look at healthcare.

Agreed. At some point it will lead to not treating smokers for lung cancer. Obese people and diabetes. No abortion is more worthy than another.

It’s not dangerous unless anyone is suggesting a legal restriction, which they’re not.

Some people see certain things as holding value and being sacred - for example marriage. If a woman came on here saying she had married somebody because they had lots of money, a lot of posters would find is distasteful. She hasn’t hurt anybody, it doesn’t affect anybody apart from her. But certain things in society are seen to have a moral value.

Re: abortion. We can advocate for continued decriminalisation in the legal system without making our argument rely on the fringe position that all abortion is completely fine with no moral implications for anyone ever under any circumstances. Come on.

Thats not what I said though. I said handwringing about someone else’s feelings about abortion is pointless. It changes absolutely nothing about the termination.

Of course it’s dangerous - abortion rights are limited due to these ‘moral’ feelings about someone else’s choices. I haven’t seen a single state in America discuss limiting marriages to stop gold diggers.

This isn’t the USA.

This isn’t the USA.

Ah, so nuanced.

But that makes zero difference to the abortion. It’s still a termination regardless of the feelings of the people at the point of conception. So we’re back to good abortions and bad abortions, worthy and unworthy women. Which is a dangerous way to look at healthcare

That's how I feel.

On a personal level it doesn't sit well with me that someone would routinely have unprotected sex because there's always an abortion, but ultimately my gut feeling doesn't matter and anyone who is having regular unprotected sex, not using the morning after pill and having countless abortions probably has other issues going on.

Women's reproductive healthcare needs to be available to all women and anything that starts categorising women's health into the deserving and the undeserving, the right kind of woman and the wrong kind of woman would is the thin end of the wedge.

We have a lot of religious people in our government who would restrict abortion tomorrow. You’re very naive if you think it could never be an issue here.

Who?

Reece-Mogg, up until very recently. Sorry, so you really dont think it could happen here?

I don't believe women should be denied habitual abortions, if they want to be irresponsible. Their body, their choice. I just don't agree with it. As I said, abortion, is a woman's right but to go into sex knowing you can abort the baby, is plain wrong. I think I'm feeding a few posters their need for attention. I'm out.

Anyone else out of 646 people?

Yes me too.

It doesn’t matter if you agree with it or not though. Although if I was you, I’d think about why I feel the need to have a hierarchy of worthwhile reasons for abortion.

Do you think it couldn’t happen here?

I never agree with your stance on the sex industry and women's choice, so I'm certainly not going to engage with you on something, that is absolutely fruitless.

@Cuppasoupmonster

You asked who. Here you go...

In 2019, MPs voted to legalise same-sex marriage and extend abortion rights in Northern Ireland – but 99 MPs in the UK voted against the move on abortion rights (73 also opposed the same-sex marriage vote, in case you were wondering).

Here they are, including the now Home Secretary:

David Amess (Conservative)
Steve Baker (Conservative)
Henry Bellingham (Conservative)
Paul Beresford (Conservative)
Bob Blackman (Conservative)
Peter Bone (Conservative)
Suella Braverman (Conservative) (Proxy vote cast by Steve Baker)
Andrew Bridgen (Conservative)
James Brokenshire (Conservative)
Fiona Bruce (Conservative)
Lisa Cameron (SNP)
Gregory Campbell (DUP)
James Cartlidge (Conservative)
William Cash (Conservative)
Maria Caulfield (Conservative)
Rehman Chishti (Conservative)
Christopher Chope (Conservative)
Simon Clarke (Conservative)
Therese Coffey (Conservative)
Rosie Cooper (Labour)
Robert Courts (Conservative)
Philip Davies (Conservative)
David Davis (Conservative)
Nigel Dodds (DUP)
Michelle Donelan (Conservative)
Steve Double (Conservative)
Richard Drax (Conservative)
David Duguid (Conservative)
Charlie Elphicke (Conservative)
George Eustice (Conservative)
Michael Fallon (Conservative)
Kevin Foster (Conservative)
Mark Francois (Conservative)
Roger Gale (Conservative)
Paul Girvan (DUP)
Robert Goodwill (Conservative)
Peter Grant (SNP)
James Gray (Conservative)
Chris Grayling (Conservative)
Chris Green (Conservative)
Damian Green (Conservative)
Kirstene Hair (Conservative)
Mark Harper (Conservative)
John Hayes (Conservative)
Lady Hermon (Independent)
Philip Hollobone (Conservative)
Adam Holloway (Conservative)
Eddie Hughes (Conservative)
Ranil Jayawardena (Conservative)
Andrea Jenkyns (Conservative)
Caroline Johnson (Conservative)
Helen Jones (Labour)
David Jones (Conservative)
Marcus Jones (Conservative)
Mike Kane (Labour)
Daniel Kawczynski (Conservative)
Stephen Kerr (Conservative)
Greg Knight (Conservative)
John Lamont (Conservative)
Pauline Latham (Conservative)
Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative)
Edward Leigh (Conservative)
Andrew Lewer (Conservative)
Ian Liddell-Grainger (Conservative)
David Lidington (Conservative)
Emma Little Pengelly (DUP)
Jonathan Lord (Conservative)
Anne Main (Conservative)
Rachael Maskell (Labour)
Paul Maynard (Conservative)
Nigel Mills (Conservative)
Matthew Offord (Conservative)
Ian Paisley (DUP)
Owen Paterson (Conservative)
Mike Penning (Conservative)
Stephen Pound (Labour)
Victoria Prentis (Conservative)
Mark Prisk (Conservative)
Mark Pritchard (Conservative)
Tom Pursglove (Conservative)
Dominic Raab (Conservative)
Jacob Rees-Mogg (Conservative)
Laurence Robertson (Conservative)
Mary Robinson (Conservative)
Andrew Rosindell (Conservative)
Douglas Ross (Conservative)
Jim Shannon (DUP)
David Simpson (DUP)
John Stevenson (Conservative)
Gary Streeter (Conservative)
Desmond Swayne (Conservative)
Robert Syms (Conservative)
Derek Thomas (Conservative)
Ross Thomson (Conservative)
Michael Tomlinson (Conservative)
Martin Vickers (Conservative)
Heather Wheeler (Conservative)
John Whittingdale (Conservative)
Bill Wiggin (Conservative)
Sammy Wilson (DUP)

Who?
Jacob Rees Mogg opposes abortion even in circumstances of rape and incest.

Danny Kruger doesn't believe women have the right to bodily autonomy

Suella Braverman voted against buffer zones around abortion clinics to protect women from harassment. She also voted against lifting the abortion ban in NI.

Kemi Badenoch also voted against protecting women from harassment when accessing abortion clinics

Therese Coffey voted against lifting abortion restrictions in NI.

Dominic Raab voted against lifting abortion restrictions in NI.

Maria Caulfield is anti choice and believes women should be subject to harassment when accessing abortions has been appointed Minister For Women. She also lobbies to cut abortion availability.

OP, before your thread was hijacked. I said I agree with your OP. Pointless trying to take it further. All I can say is, several.posters have proven our point.

What’s my stance on the sex industry? I don’t recognise your username.