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To think JKRowling should be in the House of Lords

347 replies

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 28/10/2022 10:58

She is probably the best selling living author writing in English

She has given a great deal of money to charity

She has conquered the disadvantages of being an unemployed single mother by her own efforts

She is a great role model for women and girls

OP posts:
TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 15:42

Women's rights are not a right wing view nor are they a minority niche issue that is out of proportion to all reality.

No, they’re not. Framing almost every women’s rights issue as a trans issue is though.

Women are killed abused and brutalised every day (and that’s when we’re not being objectified ignored or trivialised) and 99.9% of that is nothing to do with trans people.

You wouldn’t think so though according to some people’s output.

midgetastic · 28/10/2022 15:44

It's nothing to do with trans people - exactly

It's heavily related to someone's sex irrespective of gender identity

You can be any gender you like but your sex is fixed and your sex matters sometimes

senua · 28/10/2022 15:45

Framing almost every women’s rights issue as a trans issue is [out of proportion to all reality]
How can we define "women's rights" when we can't define "women"?

Brefugee · 28/10/2022 15:49

No, they’re not. Framing almost every women’s rights issue as a trans issue is though.
Women are killed abused and brutalised every day (and that’s when we’re not being objectified ignored or trivialised) and 99.9% of that is nothing to do with trans people.

but they aren't saying that all this brutalising abuse is by transwomen. What they are saying is that having been brutalised by men makes them nervous around men and if they see a man in a place they feel vulnerable (toilet for example) it makes them nervous so they would prefer no men in there.

What then makes this a trans issue is the TRAs getting in a huff and abusing and further traumatising the women.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 28/10/2022 15:50

Women are killed abused and brutalised every day (and that’s when we’re not being objectified ignored or trivialised) and 99.9% of that is nothing to do with trans people.

When does it become a problem for you? How many women need to be killed abused and brutalised by trans people before you stop dismissing the abuse? How many transpeople need to be rapists before you acknowledge a problem?

TheNosehasit · 28/10/2022 15:50

Hiphopopotamonster · 28/10/2022 11:06

🙄the adulation of this woman on here is bizarre. But apparently mumsnet, like JKR, has become a grotesque single issue echo chamber.

Yes indeed.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 28/10/2022 15:51

Are we all pretending that no "tw" has ever raped?

Rainbowshit · 28/10/2022 15:52

Yes she should. For her charity work and her contribution to children's education for getting more of them reading.

Low bar I know but if Michelle Mone is suitable then JK definitely is!

tkmethrthis · 28/10/2022 15:56

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 28/10/2022 15:51

Are we all pretending that no "tw" has ever raped?

Seemingly.

They are either TW who commit male pattern sexual offences OR there are men who pose as TW who commit these offences.

Either way it's women who are the bigots for saying we want to keep males out of those spaces, even if they are TW or pretending to be, to keep us safe.

Apparently keeping women safe from males is a niche , right wing, view.

JellySaurus · 28/10/2022 15:57

InPraiseOfBacchus · 28/10/2022 12:22

Nope - even if she supports my views, she's a hack with a god complex who has literally used her wealth to tastelessly taunt people she disagrees with in arguments. She's hijacked issues when other authors (S. Rushdue) have been horribly physically attacked and made the whole thing about her.
She has lied about being doxxed for sympathy when the address in question was already public. We should take a very dim view of hearing her claim to speak for all women.

I won't support someone just because they tickle my fancy regarding my favourite hot-button topic.

No idea who you're talking about.

The OP is talking about a woman who pulled herself and her children up out of an abusive relationship, whose writings encouraged generations of children to read, and which continue to give pleasure to millions of readers, listeners and viewers worldwide, a philanthropist whose priority is to give parentless children a better life. A woman who speaks up for women and vulnerable people, yet has never claimed that everybody must agree with her.

Yes, I think JKR would make an excellent peer.

Beowulfa · 28/10/2022 16:02

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TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 16:16

Are we all pretending that no "tw" has ever raped?

No. Are we all pretending that no woman has ever assaulted young girls?

tkmethrthis · 28/10/2022 16:35

Why was Beowulfa's post removed.

TropicalDrink your point is absurd and irrelevant. Males commit 98% of sexual crimes against women and girls, the rate of male pattern crime doesn't change with trans identity.

Trans women have used and will continue to use their trans identity to get access to young girls see, Katie Daltowski. In Scotland male inmates have 'identified' as women after conviction and then gone back to being men on release. A woman was raped in a hospital in the UK and was told it was impossible because there was no man on the ward. How many women and girls being harmed at the hands of either TW in women's spaces or men posing as such is enough collateral damage for you? I find it chilling that you deny these things happen or , if you accept that these things do happen, you don't think the victims of these crimes count.

midgetastic · 28/10/2022 16:38

Tropical

You are not unaware of the sex differences in assault patterns

Untitledsquatboulder · 28/10/2022 16:39

women are killed, abused and brutalised every day

Yes and this abuse occurs largely (overwhelmingly) at the hands of men - a group that includes tw. So namalt and natwalt but, as those that are don't come with visible warning labels best we keep certain spaces safe and single sex.

midgetastic · 28/10/2022 16:39

I mean it is a balance

If the difference in assault rates was close to 50 50

Or if assaults were so rare it was hard to have reliable data

Then having sex as the differentiator would be wrong

AlisonDonut · 28/10/2022 16:43

Rabid and unhinged?

Come on, you are forgetting hysterical...do better.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 28/10/2022 16:54

TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 16:16

Are we all pretending that no "tw" has ever raped?

No. Are we all pretending that no woman has ever assaulted young girls?

No one is claiming that.

The only thing that definines a "TW" is that they are male. The definition of a TW is not dependant on their likelihood to assult women and girls.

Therefore "TW" have to have the same level of risk to women and girls as every other male. We cannot put women and girls at risk of abuse because of a mans gender identity. Thats dangerous and ignorant of the facts.

SquirrelSoShiny · 28/10/2022 16:55

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 28/10/2022 15:24

This 👋👋

Mmmhmm

ReneBumsWombats · 28/10/2022 16:58

TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 16:16

Are we all pretending that no "tw" has ever raped?

No. Are we all pretending that no woman has ever assaulted young girls?

What's a woman?

celestialsphere · 28/10/2022 17:05

What are her views on anything other than the obvious. Other than her gender critical views to those who support her being in the House of Lords know or even care?

midgetastic · 28/10/2022 17:25

Try here

www.wearelumos.org/

TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 17:27

see, Katie Daltowski

Yes a really horrific attack. You don’t treat everyone with a shared characteristic the same based on a really tiny minority.
You’re probably more likely to die in a terrorist incident than be attacked by a trans woman in the toilets.

It’s not difficult to find instances of women or even female teachers that have sexually assaulted girls. And they’re not trans.

And yes I’m well aware that most violence and sexual assaults are committed by men.

ReneBumsWombats · 28/10/2022 17:30

"Women get attacked anyway so we don't need safeguards to stop them getting attacked more."

Always a convincing argument, that one.

Smilelesstalkmore · 28/10/2022 17:35

TropicalDrink · 28/10/2022 17:27

see, Katie Daltowski

Yes a really horrific attack. You don’t treat everyone with a shared characteristic the same based on a really tiny minority.
You’re probably more likely to die in a terrorist incident than be attacked by a trans woman in the toilets.

It’s not difficult to find instances of women or even female teachers that have sexually assaulted girls. And they’re not trans.

And yes I’m well aware that most violence and sexual assaults are committed by men.

You don’t treat everyone with a shared characteristic the same based on a really tiny minority.

Erm, we do actually. That's why my husband, who is a lovely bloke and definitely not a danger to is, rightly, not allowed in women's spaces.

At what point does a male who identities as a woman come out of the high risk sex class of male and into much lower risk sex class of female?

At what objective point of 'transition' does that move take place?

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