Page 14 | To think JKRowling should be in the House of Lords

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 2022-10-28T09:58:23+00:00

She is probably the best selling living author writing in English She has given a great deal of money to charity She has conquered the disadvantages of being an unemployed single mother by her own efforts She is a great role model for women and girls

TheKeatingFive · 29/10/2022 20:58

We don't need safeguards because women get raped anyway, so it doesn't matter if they get raped more.

This is the long and the short of it.

Women, your safety doesn't matter, get used to it.

What else are we supposed to conclude here?

ReneBumsWombats · 29/10/2022 21:01

Did @TropicalDrink ever reply to say what a woman is?

TheKeatingFive · 29/10/2022 21:06

Still waiting for confirmation of all the hateful people JKR retweets and supports.

Or indeed the hateful things she has apparently said herself.

But I know how these things go and I have 🍿 so I'm here for the long haul.

Asdavaluesausage · 29/10/2022 21:08

Will swap some popcorn for Doritos? Do you think we’ll ever get the list?

ReneBumsWombats · 29/10/2022 21:10

TheKeatingFive · 29/10/2022 21:06

Still waiting for confirmation of all the hateful people JKR retweets and supports.

Or indeed the hateful things she has apparently said herself.

But I know how these things go and I have 🍿 so I'm here for the long haul.

Me on Mumsnet/Twitter/anywhere waiting for the same...

^^

To think JKRowling should be in the House of Lords

wacademia · 29/10/2022 21:35

AnApparitionQuipped · 29/10/2022 00:17

Over 760 Peers eligible to sit in the HoL. Of them less than 90 are hereditary peers.

But they are there because their peerage was conferred by someone who exists by virtue of hereditary privilege.

The King acts on the recommendations of others when appointing life peers, effectively rubber-stamping someone else' decisions. In your desperation to delegitimise the House of Lords, you are pretending that "by Royal appointment" means "solely by the King's own initiative" when it doesn't.

wacademia · 29/10/2022 22:00

TropicalDrink · 29/10/2022 12:30

If a woman gives birth she becomes a mother, no matter if she rejects the label 'woman’.

In one sense - biologically - a trans man could be described as mother. But parenthood isn’t just about biology as pp says. Adoptive parents are still just as much parents even though not biological mother and father.

So we do redefine categories in social and legal terms that were once strictly biological. That’s leaving aside the fact that most researchers and psychiatrists/ psychologists believe there is a biopsychosocial cause of trans. That’s the prevailing view based on best evidence and clinical experience.

So it’s entirely reasonable and humane in our society to address trans men as men and as fathers if that is who they genuinely see themselves as. That is in many senses who and what they are.

Some illnesses are inherited and an accurate family history helps to diagnose them. Some of these inherited illnesses are sex-linked. Some are disorders of the mitochondria, which are cell structures inherited only from the mother. Falsehoods about a child's parentage could harm that child by hampering a diagnosis. Falsehoods about the sex of a child's parent could harm that child by hampering a diagnosis.

A conversation as follows would miss a mitochondrial disease diagnosis if we recorded trans men who have given birth as "fathers".
Dr: "did your mother ever have symptoms like this?"
Patient: "no, she was fine, my dad not so much."
Dr: rules out mitochondrial disease and starts thinking about disorders passed down via nucleus DNA.

For similar reasons, adopted children need to know that they are adopted so that they can say "I don't know about my birth parents' health" and not lead doctors on a wild goose chase with incorrect information.

wacademia · 29/10/2022 22:13

Millsbills · 29/10/2022 16:49

As I’ve said countless times (odd how lack of readily ability correlates to JKR fandom on here at times)

it’s not just what she says, it’s what she supports, what she reposts, what she promotes and who she backs.

I personally find her actual comments to be pretty shit and dislike her for that alone, but it goes beyond that.

She actively supports women who have a far harder line view on trans men and women than she has outwardly said herself, she often likes tweets that are much more hateful than any she has written herself, and promotes companies that sell merchandise that’s pretty fucking offensive, and again nothing she would outwardly say herself.

When someone is perfectly nice on social media posts but likes the odd EDL tweet it’s pretty clear they’re not as nice as they portray on their own channels.

Same applies here.

You don’t have to swear to be hateful

You don’t have to issue death threats to be hateful

But you will never understand this issue, so there is little point engaging further

Thankfully support for JKR tends to be closely aligned with increased age, it’s just one of those issues older people will promote until they start to fade out, like racism and homophobia.

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When someone is perfectly nice on social media posts but likes the odd EDL tweet

Are you seriously comparing a "notorious transphobe" badge, which I would interpret as akin to the British Expeditionary Force adopting Kaiser Wilhelm's "contemptible little army" insult as a nickname "old contemptibles", with the EDL?

wacademia · 29/10/2022 22:17

Feyrethefae · 29/10/2022 17:50

For me personally, I also hold issue with the fact that the same people on FWR threads who openly mock trans people, openly declare their love/like/support/adoration etc for JKR. So it's possible that I'm seeing the entire undertone of the movement/JKR, as problematic and hateful because of these posters and associating JKR with them.

"Look what you made me do".

wacademia · 29/10/2022 22:20

Asdavaluesausage · 29/10/2022 18:55

In answer to your question @Millsbills yes. Dr Ivy has issued death threats, told lesbians to ‘get over their phobia of penises’, said TERFS ‘deserve to die in a grease fire’. And posted a gif of a skeleton dancing in a grave after finding out a young woman who disagreed with Dr Ivy had died. And under Ivy’s own name so no ambiguity there. So yeah. That’s the TRA stance. What has JK retweeted that is comparable to that.

And posted a gif of a skeleton dancing in a grave after finding out a young woman who disagreed with Dr Ivy had died.

Magdalene Burns. There was a lot of TRA gloating after Burns died, not just from Ivy.

ReneBumsWombats · 29/10/2022 23:11

I'm aware that the worst of the TRA lobby isn't representative of everyone, but it's such a bad look when only one side attracts these people in any significant measure.

anyolddinosaur · 30/10/2022 08:50

Liz Truss could do something useful with her resignation list. Anyone have her as their constituency MP?

tkmethrthis · 30/10/2022 09:14

I don't get this mocking the ideology is terrible thing.

I mean why, actually, on any logical level is it OK to identify as a different sex but it is not Ok to identify as a different age or race or nationality?

What was so offensive about those I identify as Welsh / leek tweets that you would ask for them to be removed?

How is it funny and right on that the penis piano person Jordan can strip naked and rub their flacid penis against a keyboard on live television but saying I identify as a leek / welsh is hate?

It doesn't make any sense. Jordan is mocking and sneering at women but that's fine????

Babasghost · 30/10/2022 10:17

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 29/10/2022 02:54

You need to ask yourself why those women are so scared of the erasure of sex in law and policy that they will vote for "the nasty party" to keep the legal definition of woman as "a female of any age".

I'll tell you why I, as a former Labour Party paid-up member, will vote for the Tories unless a better party comes along or Labour send the self-id policy into a black hole never to be seen again. I can donate to food banks and charities to mitigate poverty, but I can't phone Rape Crisis if I think a male voice might answer; if one did, I'd be likely to self-harm of worse. I can use crowdfunding to fight an unfair dismissal case if my union is rendered useless, but I can't use a swimming pool changing room safely if males can walk in unchallenged. I can downsize my house or even move back in with my parents if my mortgage becomes unaffordable, but I can't go for a smear test with my memories of sexual assault and rape if my request for a female nurse is interpreted to refer to special gender feelz instead of biological reality. I can cope with fewer luxuries, but my mental health will not withstand being gaslight systematically by the State telling me that a woman can be born with a penis. I can cope with longer waiting lists for mental health treatment, but I cannot cope with being in a psychiatric ward with a male in my room and the nurses telling me he's a woman on his say-so, as has already happened. I can cope with longer waits for rape trauma counselling, but I cannot cope with someone male in the therapy group, as has also already happened.

If we lose women's right to create female-only spaces, we cannot work around that. We can work around service cuts and hardship. And that's why I will hold my nose and vote Tory.

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Agreed

Babasghost · 30/10/2022 10:24

TheKeatingFive · 29/10/2022 20:11

The cognitive dissonance Is amazing @TheKeatingFive these same people who parrot #bekind and loveislove are the sane ones telling women to let men in their spaces because they’re going to get raped anyway so why fight it

Its absolutely horrifying.

One thing this has really brought home to me is the degree to which these women, at the bottom of the pile, just don't matter to many.

Abused women, prisoners, orthodox religious, the disabled and ill - these are the women who have most to lose from the erosion of single sex spaces.

And quite clearly, the privileged alpha females on here do not give a shit. They'll happily throw these vulnerable women under the bus, while jumping up and down for plaudits from the woke bros. While preaching their nauseating 'be kind' bullshit and patting themselves on the back.

I consider my eyes well and truly opened. In a dreadful way.

Those posters are men.
Many notorious male trans rights activists are on mum's net.
Have you not noticed the tone changes when certain people post?That these posters repeat mantras and undermine.
They aren't women, they aren't mum's.
They are men here to diminish women.

ReneBumsWombats · 30/10/2022 11:26

Yes, plenty of men on here posing as women. If you see a post that sounds exactly like an incel/MRA, check the username. If it's something like LadyWomanGirlMarilyn, you know it's a bloke.

Beowulfa · 31/10/2022 11:03

Looks like a had a post deleted on Friday afternoon. From memory, it was:

a) a link to Rowling's essay describing her personal reasons for defending women's single sex spaces and the importance of sex-based healthcare (so the transphobic elements can be highlighted- still waiting).

b) a refution of the earlier flippant comment that this is a "niche right-wing issue" by pointing out that it's marginalised women harmed by this ideology (poor woman in prison for shoplifting, immigrant woman with English as their third language confused by being termed a "cervix haver", abused women expecting a domestic violence refuge to be safe etc). Rowling is using her position to give a voice to these women. No left-wing party gives a shit.

c) a big thanks to Rowling for standing up to this shit, and a robust fuck off to those who think she should just shut up, be nice, and write something fluffy for the kiddies.

I don't agree with the origins of the HoL, but think it's proven its worth as a second layer of debate. I'd like to see more scientists and engineers in there personally.

I think Rowling merits consideration for the HoL not for her writing success (and I think the last few HP books needed robust editing, and that Fantastic Beasts was seriously dull), but for the way she's directed her wealth and used her position.

ReneBumsWombats · 31/10/2022 11:16

Beowulfa · 31/10/2022 11:03

Looks like a had a post deleted on Friday afternoon. From memory, it was:

a) a link to Rowling's essay describing her personal reasons for defending women's single sex spaces and the importance of sex-based healthcare (so the transphobic elements can be highlighted- still waiting).

b) a refution of the earlier flippant comment that this is a "niche right-wing issue" by pointing out that it's marginalised women harmed by this ideology (poor woman in prison for shoplifting, immigrant woman with English as their third language confused by being termed a "cervix haver", abused women expecting a domestic violence refuge to be safe etc). Rowling is using her position to give a voice to these women. No left-wing party gives a shit.

c) a big thanks to Rowling for standing up to this shit, and a robust fuck off to those who think she should just shut up, be nice, and write something fluffy for the kiddies.

I don't agree with the origins of the HoL, but think it's proven its worth as a second layer of debate. I'd like to see more scientists and engineers in there personally.

I think Rowling merits consideration for the HoL not for her writing success (and I think the last few HP books needed robust editing, and that Fantastic Beasts was seriously dull), but for the way she's directed her wealth and used her position.

It might have been the "fuck off". I once got a deletion for saying something like "anyone who uses the 'boys will be boys' line to be a rape apologist needs to fuck off".

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I had no idea she was a radical feminist. What's radical about her beliefs?

AryaStarkWolf · 03/11/2022 12:50

Untitledsquatboulder · 28/10/2022 11:09

She's a great story teller which is maybe more important.

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Exactly. Loving the Strike series at the moment

mummywithtwokidsplusdog · 03/11/2022 13:27

She would be amazing.