To think JKRowling should be in the House of Lords

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She is probably the best selling living author writing in English

She has given a great deal of money to charity

She has conquered the disadvantages of being an unemployed single mother by her own efforts

She is a great role model for women and girls

Being against using pronouns and promoting a company that sells badges saying "fuck your pronouns" are two different things though, don't you think?

You can disagree with something without being outwardly hateful though, can you not?

There is refusing to add them to your emails and then wearing a badge outing yourself as an intolerant twat to the world.

She is very careful at what she says, but the second you start looking at what she doesn’t say but who she supports, what she reposts, what she promotes it’s clear her views are a lot more hard line.

Given that it's a transphobic hate crime to even think about the impact of trans rights on women, let alone question trans "facts" I reckon most if us are notorious transphobes.

Hard line? Biological reality is a hard line now?!

If you even say you don't think men can be women you are given rape and death threats, no matter how politely it is phrased.

I'm not surprised the messaging is getting more aggressive seeing as polite requests and querying gets the type of reaction it does.

And you wonder why you’re not taken seriously.

Most women aren’t transphobes, it’s very odd how so many on here think their opinion is a majority one. There was a reason FWR had to be made into it’s own topic, even the majority of feminists on here want nothing to do with the JKR circle jerk

Proving an inability to read I see

Who said biological reality is hard line?

She is very careful at what she says, but the second you start looking at what she doesn’t say but who she supports, what she reposts, what she promotes it’s clear her views are a lot more hard line.

well, I'll balance that against all the people holding up signs saying "kill all terfs" and "suck my lady dick" and so on. So, meh.

The problem that i have isn't that people come here and say "i don't like JKR" (do you know her personally?) is that the reason for it is always how much of a hateful transphobe she is and that essay! But i have read that essay 3 times now - and i can't find the transphobic hate. But nobody is prepared to point it out. I must conclude, therefore, that it doesn't exist.

Wearing a t-shirt that proclaims "adult human female" isn't much other than a statement of fact to some, and "literal violence" to others. Again, i can accept the former, but the latter? use grown up words.

If i say "i hate [insert prominent TRA here]" and someone asks me why, and my answer is screenshots of their "kill all Terfs" and so on, is that ok? or is it literal violence to women who don't think TWAW?

You can disagree with something without being outwardly hateful though, can you not?

Either way women are transphobic bigots. Perhaps that's why we are getting angry about it.

Or is it only TRAs who are allowed to be hateful? It's hardly the same as getting rape threats!

What do you think is hard line then?

Why do you think messages should be 'naice' when women have been threatened, harmed and raped by this ideology.

You can dress it up all you want but because of enablers like you teens and women have been traumatised, raped and threatened.

Sure they weren't sufficiently nice enough though.

coming from the viewpoint that saying a woman is an adult human female is "literal violence" and wildly inaccurate posts saying "there is literal trans genocide going on out there" and so on, i think it is strongly hilarious that you can write "And you wonder why you’re not taken seriously." with a straight face, tbh.

And i'm not even wildly GC and i have, personally, not many issues around TW using the ladies changing rooms and toilets (provided they're not using them to post vids of them wanking off and so on) outside the fact that other women have genuine requirements not to be in mixed sex areas at certain times. I've been very supportive of TW (and TM) and will continue to be so outside of the absolute batshit assertions some TRAs insist on making.

For those who dislike JK for her stance regarding biological sex and how that is seen as a negative towards the trans Community what are your thoughts on the prominent trans supporters who promote violence and misogyny against women?

You've done it here. Why add "do you know her personally?"? Do I need to personally know everyone in the world in order to state that I don't like someone? I don't like Tom Cruise, are you now going to ask me if I know him personally and then list all of the good things he's ever done in order to prove me wrong? If not, why wouldn't you do so for him but you do for JKR?

It just smacks of fan adoration, almost identical to the bullying and questioning people get online when they say they don't like Justin Bieber or Taylor Swift.

You've done it here. Why add "do you know her personally?"? Do I need to personally know everyone in the world in order to state that I don't like someone? I don't like Tom Cruise, are you now going to ask me if I know him personally and then list all of the good things he's ever done in order to prove me wrong? If not, why wouldn't you do so for him but you do for JKR?

I'm interested in why you don't like someone you don't know personally. Of course i am. It is bonkers to "like" a person if you don't know them. Personally i believe that some of Tom Cruise's behaviours are extremely harmful (scientology) but i understand that as a person he is gracious and kind to the people who work on his films. But i don't "like" him because i don't know him.

Do you think we should #BeKind to the people who screech "kill all TERFS" at women who simply state their reluctance to believe TWAW?

how do you go from someone saying "why don't you like JKR" and then saying a few things about the charities she's started and equate that with fan adoration?

I'm not a fan of hers, i definitely don't adore her. I adore very few people in fact, especially not people i don't know personally. Famous people curate an image, i'm not into that much, thanks.

So does almost everyone here know JKR personally? Because there's been lots of proclamations of love and adoration which are well beyond "like".
And why have you jumped to "do you think we should all just #bekind"? Have I given any indication that that's what I'm saying/meaning? You've just got that from nowhere.

Who are these hateful, appalling types that she retweets btw?

How do you know that the people promoting "violence and misogyny" against women are trans supporters? They may say they are but that doesn't mean it is true.

Good old whataboutism, a classic of the JKR fan club

BTW most who don’t like JKR also don’t like death threats against her. I can think she is an abhorrent individual and also not like the people who send her death threats. As do most moderate men and women.

This is why there is little point getting into these debates on here, it’s like playing chess with a pigeon.

I also think they’re dicks

Its weird how so many on here struggle to understand 99% of those who dislike JKR will also disagree with the threats she receives

she deserves every bit of the cancel culture she has been impacted by, she deserves to feel the social pressure of her hatred, no one however deserves death threats

How do you know that the people promoting "violence and misogyny" against women are trans supporters? They may say they are but that doesn't mean it is true.

The ones I have seen are strong voices on social media who are mostly transwomen or people who actively support trans rights and are very vocal about it.
Are you saying for example Dr Ivy is not a TRA?

she deserves every bit of the cancel culture she has been impacted by, she deserves to feel the social pressure of her hatred, no one however deserves death threats

Ok so what hatred?
Honestly when I look at everything JK says I am unable to see hatred. She doesn't swear, make death threats, call for violence, call for others who don't share her opinions to be cancelled or threaten their livelihood so what hatred is she spewing? Or are you saying a different opinion is hatred?

As I’ve said countless times (odd how lack of readily ability correlates to JKR fandom on here at times)

it’s not just what she says, it’s what she supports, what she reposts, what she promotes and who she backs.

I personally find her actual comments to be pretty shit and dislike her for that alone, but it goes beyond that.

She actively supports women who have a far harder line view on trans men and women than she has outwardly said herself, she often likes tweets that are much more hateful than any she has written herself, and promotes companies that sell merchandise that’s pretty fucking offensive, and again nothing she would outwardly say herself.

When someone is perfectly nice on social media posts but likes the odd EDL tweet it’s pretty clear they’re not as nice as they portray on their own channels.

Same applies here.

You don’t have to swear to be hateful

You don’t have to issue death threats to be hateful

But you will never understand this issue, so there is little point engaging further

Thankfully support for JKR tends to be closely aligned with increased age, it’s just one of those issues older people will promote until they start to fade out, like racism and homophobia.

Has Dr Ivy made rape and death threats? I presume that nobody knows for sure who the people making those threats are.

she deserves every bit of the cancel culture she has been impacted by

Because she doesn't agree with compelled speech?

Because she thinks women and girls exist as a sex class.

Because she is getting angry at the way women and girls are being treated by society and supporting groups you don't approve of.

Wow. Just Wow.

it’s not just what she says, it’s what she supports, what she reposts, what she promotes and who she backs.

Who specifically though? All we've got is a link to a site that has a few slogans that aren't even particularly problematic to my eyes. Maybe the pronouns at a push.

Who are all these hateful people she's promoting?

I personally find her actual comments to be pretty shit

Examples please?