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Not forcing my daughter to share her bedroom or stop going out to eat?

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tamarvin · 25/10/2022 18:53

Right now my sister, her husband, and their three kids (14f, 10m, 5m) are staying with me and my family temporarily while they are waiting on council housing. I have two kids (13f and 11m).

So I have four bedrooms in my house. The first is my own. The second one is my daughters bedroom. The third is my son's bedroom. The last bedroom is the guest room where my sister and her husband are sleeping.

From the first night they were here my son has wanted his 10 year old cousin to sleep in his room. Those two get along very well and enjoy each others company. So we set up my 14 year old niece and my 5 year old nephew in the lounge downstairs. My 5 year old nephew is apparently having a lot of anxiety problem so most of the time he sleeps in the guestroom with his parents.

My niece is unhappy with this arrangement because she feel likes she gets no privacy (downstairs is open plan). To solve this my sister wants me to force my daughter to share her bedroom with my niece. My daughter however is not as close with my niece as the boys are with each other. My daughter and niece have very different personalities. My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet.

I told my sister that we can try to add a privacy curtain to a corner of the lounge for her daughter. My sister said that wouldn't help at all because anyone could just barge in. She says that a teenage girl should be able to have access to a lockable room especially in a house full of mostly boys. She doesn't see any issue with the girls sharing even though I told her my concerns. She thinks it would be a good opportunity for them to bond.

Another issue we've run into involved a weekly dinner I do with my kids. So far we've had no issues with regular dinner as we all contribute to the groceries and all the adults take turn cooking. I however would get my takeaway for my kids once a week. I let my them take turns each week to choose what they want. It's a treat at the end of the week that they both look forward too. My sister and her husband have a tight budget so they cannot afford to buy takeaway regularly. While I am a better off financially paying for everyone every week is not feasible as it is already expensive and it would cost double.

I thought that eating takeaway in front of them at home would be cruel though. I've had a little discussion about it with my kids and told them that while my sister and her family are staying with us we would be having our weekly dinner out instead of doing takeaway and eating at home. I thought this was a fair compromise.

My sister did not agree. She says it's obvious that we are going out to eat good food since we leave before dinner and when we come back home we don't eat anything. While my kids won't brag about going out to eat they will answer honestly when my niece or nephews ask where we went. They then end up feeling bad and my sister says they wouldn't feel bad if I just said no to my kids and that it wouldn't hurt my kids to not go out as often. I will also add that on a selfish note I don't want to stop taking them out to eat because its the only time I get to have with just the three of us alone now.

OP posts:
MichaelFabricantWig · 26/10/2022 13:20

YANBU

I don’t think you should change anything, your sister is an entitled cheeky fucker.

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:21

@ZeroFuchsGiven I agree that is a better solution if it is possible. You need a room either with enough sleeping space for two adults or two sofas. My living room is not big enough for that. I do not know if OPs is.

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:22

I think MN is terrible for this. When it comes to young children everyone can see what a young child needs and says this should be provided. When it comes to teenagers so many posters do not seem to give a damn about their needs.

SpaceshiptoMars · 26/10/2022 13:24

@antelopevalley

There was room enough in the living room for the 14 yr old and her 5yr old brother. So I think that's enough room for a double airbed for her parents.

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Lapland123 · 26/10/2022 13:25

This thread is so annoying. Martyrs thinking you offered to accommodate them so you must offer anything and everything, to the detriment of your own kids.
if people only helped when they were prepared to offer EVERYTHING, hardly anyone would help out, ever.
idiots.

Ilovetocrochet · 26/10/2022 13:28

I admit that I’ve not read all the posts so I might be repeating something!

Regarding the takeaways, if, by living with you, your sister is not paying rent as she would have done before ( or perhaps at a lower rate) then she ought to have enough spare cash to pay for a takeaway for her family.

I certainly would not force my daughter to share a room for a year so it’s up to your sister to find a solution. Surely when she knew that they would be living with you for a year she would have considered the impact on her own daughter to sleep in the lounge for that long? If she and her husband are unwilling to sleep in the lounge then her daughter will have to put up with it, I’d buy a free standing screen to provide some privacy. She could put posters on the screen to personalise her area!

Newmumatlast · 26/10/2022 13:28

Not your problem and your sister should feel grateful she has a lovely sister who is allowing her and her family to stay instead of her having to have her kids stay at a b&b or refuge or other temp accommodation they would otherwise have to stay in while waiting for a council home. If she doesn't like it, perhaps she can concentrate her efforts on applying for free courses or alternative jobs to better her circumstances and apply for private housing to get out of your home quicker instead of using her time to criticise you.

FrippEnos · 26/10/2022 13:29

antelopevalley

I agree with you on two points, that all children are important and that the DSis and family should move.
As for the rest it is down to the parents that have moved in to sort out not the person that they are freeloading off.
If the Mother isn't happy she should go somewhere else that suits her and her families needs.

Newmumatlast · 26/10/2022 13:29

Lapland123 · 26/10/2022 13:25

This thread is so annoying. Martyrs thinking you offered to accommodate them so you must offer anything and everything, to the detriment of your own kids.
if people only helped when they were prepared to offer EVERYTHING, hardly anyone would help out, ever.
idiots.

Agreed. You're never obliged to help and OP is doing more than enough.

Newmumatlast · 26/10/2022 13:31

thelobsterquadrille · 25/10/2022 20:01

Surely you can't evict them when they're not tenants? Do you have a contract, deposit and rent being paid?

I know you were being kind but I think you've made a huge mistake here.

They dont have to be tenants in order to evict them.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 26/10/2022 13:33

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:22

I think MN is terrible for this. When it comes to young children everyone can see what a young child needs and says this should be provided. When it comes to teenagers so many posters do not seem to give a damn about their needs.

It's not a question of that. It's about the person being responsible for providing for those needs being none other than that teenager's own parents. This is particularly in consideration of the fact that OP is now raising his children as a single parent, and that the death of their mother will have been a devastating experience at such an impressionable age.

Sister, for whatever reason, cannot provide her daughter with a home and I'm not necessarily judging her for that. Many people are falling on hard times; in many cases this isn't necessarily their fault.

I and others ARE judging her for being unwilling even to make a small sacrifice (considering her generous brother has just made a very large one) and providing her daughter with a room, at the cost of a bit more discomfort and inconvenience to her. Parents do make sacrifices for their children, do they not? Or are you suggesting it's the role of others to do that for them?

Newmumatlast · 26/10/2022 13:35

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 26/10/2022 13:33

It's not a question of that. It's about the person being responsible for providing for those needs being none other than that teenager's own parents. This is particularly in consideration of the fact that OP is now raising his children as a single parent, and that the death of their mother will have been a devastating experience at such an impressionable age.

Sister, for whatever reason, cannot provide her daughter with a home and I'm not necessarily judging her for that. Many people are falling on hard times; in many cases this isn't necessarily their fault.

I and others ARE judging her for being unwilling even to make a small sacrifice (considering her generous brother has just made a very large one) and providing her daughter with a room, at the cost of a bit more discomfort and inconvenience to her. Parents do make sacrifices for their children, do they not? Or are you suggesting it's the role of others to do that for them?

You're absolutely correct.

Also OP apologies i thought you were a sister and appreciate now you're a brother :)

BlueRidge · 26/10/2022 13:36

We don't know, because the OP hasn't retuned recently (and who can blame him?)what the setup in the sitting room is. If the niece is just converting a sofa to a bed each evening, then a partition screen is probably not an option.

I don't see posters blanketly (is that a word?) disregarding the niece's teen mental health here - quite a few disregarding the OP's daughter's though, in accusing her of being selfish for not wanting to share her personal space with someone she doesn't get on with.

Popgoestheweaselagain · 26/10/2022 13:37

Leobynature · 25/10/2022 20:35

I think it’s more appropriate for the teenage girls to share a room as a 13 year old female needs privacy. I will just ensure some grounds rules. I also thinking eating out once per week is a really shitty thing to do. The children, especially the 10year old and 5 year old should not experience such inequalities and I would see it as an opportunity to humble my children. Furthermore I could never do this to my nephews,
either I take all children out or treat them all to a takeaway or no one gets one.

I also believe it’s a noble thing to offer your home to your sister.

Why does the OP have to 'humble' his children? Why can't the sister and her husband 'humble' their children by buying their own children some cheap pizza, turn g something on the TV and showing them you can have some great family time even if you don't have very much money and are crashing on a relative's sofa? 🤷

billy1966 · 26/10/2022 13:37

"My niece can be loud and intimidating and my daughter on the other hand is very soft spoken. Having so many other people in the house has already been making her feel stressed and overwhelmed. All three boys being younger and energetic can make things feel chaotic. I don't want to force her to give up her only private area to retreat to for peace and quiet."

The OP knows his daughter is distressed and is ploughing on with this arrangement.

His sister feels her teen daughter should have a room and the OPs daughter forced to give up the only sanity she has in that mad house.
Its the sisters job to provide a bedroom for her daughter, not the OP.

The sister could clearly care less about the poor daughters distress.

I really hope the OPs daughter confides in a teacher or responsible adult so that she can be protected from these very poor choices her father has made, however well meaning.

The OPs daughter needs protecting from this chaotic situation.

BlueRidge · 26/10/2022 13:37

All too often, adults underestimate children's feelings when it comes to blending families. How many of us adults would welcome being told, "Oh, by the way, you're now going to be sharing your bedroom with so-and-so for the foreseeable future?" And then being told they're selfish for not liking the plan?

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:38

@FrippEnos Saying if the mother isn't happy makes it sound like the mother is just complaining. When actually it is a truly shit situation for the DD she is expected to live in for a year. Utterly shit to not be able to go to bed until everyone decides to leave the living room at night and have to get up early every single weekend and holiday so everyone else can use the living room. Having zero space, not even a wall you can call your own, no space for posters or personal possessions, nothing. It is cruel. I would not do that to any teenager for a year. This situation does not meet a teenager's basic needs. It is like putting up a young family for a year and saying the baby can sleep in a cot in the bathroom and then calling her a cheeky fucker when the mother complains.

Mamai90 · 26/10/2022 13:38

I take back what I said where you should be treating your niece and nephew to a take away, I thought this was a short term arrangement for a few weeks, but a year, no way! You need that alone time with your DC.

Your sister is being an absolute CF.

I do feel sorry for the teenage girl but that is a problem for her parents to fix, they can move to the lounge, you're being more than accommodating!

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:39

BlueRidge · 26/10/2022 13:37

All too often, adults underestimate children's feelings when it comes to blending families. How many of us adults would welcome being told, "Oh, by the way, you're now going to be sharing your bedroom with so-and-so for the foreseeable future?" And then being told they're selfish for not liking the plan?

I agree adults underestimate children's feelings. But OP is ignoring the teenager's feelings. She should never have offered to put them up if she is not going to meet the needs of all the children. The teenage girls needs are not being met.

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/10/2022 13:41

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:22

I think MN is terrible for this. When it comes to young children everyone can see what a young child needs and says this should be provided. When it comes to teenagers so many posters do not seem to give a damn about their needs.

Indeed, so many people willing to offer up the one place in the house OP’s DD has for herself. She’s lost her mum and had her house invaded by people who want to dictate where she sleeps and what she has for dinner.

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antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:43

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/10/2022 13:41

Indeed, so many people willing to offer up the one place in the house OP’s DD has for herself. She’s lost her mum and had her house invaded by people who want to dictate where she sleeps and what she has for dinner.

I agree. But the teenagers needs matter too. OP should never have offered to put them up if he cant meet all of the children's needs for somewhere safe and reasonable to sleep.

BlueRidge · 26/10/2022 13:43

@antelopevalley It has been stated many times on here that the OP is a man.

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/10/2022 13:43

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:43

I agree. But the teenagers needs matter too. OP should never have offered to put them up if he cant meet all of the children's needs for somewhere safe and reasonable to sleep.

The sister shouldn’t have accepted if what was on offer wasn’t up to her standards.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 26/10/2022 13:47

antelopevalley · 26/10/2022 13:43

I agree. But the teenagers needs matter too. OP should never have offered to put them up if he cant meet all of the children's needs for somewhere safe and reasonable to sleep.

Are you reading a different thread? I mean how can the op be in any way to blame?

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