Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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This is not democracy.

All those people asking why “it’s not democracy”. It’s not democracy, because the party members always choose their leader, not a handful of MPs. Yes, we vote for our local representative of a party, not for the PM, but we also have the right to expect the government follow the rules on leadership election.

Rishi probably IS the person best placed to understand the economic mess that the party have created, but I wouldn’t put any money on him actually sorting it out.

On the bright side, he’s also the one most likely to divide the party, and therefore the most likely to lose the next GE, whenever that might be.

Were people surprised when they didn’t see Johnson’s or Corbyn’s name on the ballot paper when they voted in the last GE? Or do they not actually bother to vote anyway and just like shouting stuff like General Election NOW. Amazing how so many people have big gobs but small brains.

I agree!!

We don't really have democracy - first past the post with constituency voting doesn't deliver the majority's will. And since the majority thought Brexit was going to be useful to the UK, maybe this is just as well.

And every time Boris says he and he alone has a mandate?!!

This.

The amount of people who seem to think that we are in America and elect a president instead of a leader.
The Conservative party were elected and the Conservative Party are in power.
If Keir Starmer is leading the Labour party at the time of the next election and the Labour Party win but, God Forbid, keir is knocked down by a bus the next day and dies leaving Old Jezza to become Leader, will there be cries for another general election.
Of course not.
Once you wrap your head around the fact-difficult for some-that a Party and not a person is elected, then it is easier to stop frothing.

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ok So our democracy has rules, it is NOT un democratic to follow those rules.

if you don't like the rules, campaign to have them changed.

Dont toss your toys out of the pram & cry 'it's not democratic' just because you don't like the results.

Frankly, I'm hot happy that this slimy, back stabbing, manipulative, little shit is now our PM. It's largely his fault we're in this position and his manipulative behaviour sickens me.

I do think that 3 Prime Ministers in 7 weeks = General Election.

It screams GE, really.

I currently despair with the Tories, but would Labour do any better? They never have anything useful/concrete to say when asked what they would do instead?

Equally I think people who roll out the "you don't vote for a PM" are deliberately missing they point.

This government have been an absolute shambles over the last 2 years.

I don’t disagree with you on the absolute shambles thing (although I’d also accept “everlasting clusterfuck”) but the bottom line is that we don’t vote for a PM. That people think we do speaks volumes about how poorly understood our political system is, and that’s a bloody travesty.

It's not democracy for the Tory membership. Rishi got behind pushing Boris out and he still didn't win the leadership race. So they had another go, getting Liz out, until they got the leadership they wanted. There's no point having a Tory membership ballot if that is then overridden when the Tories don't like the result of that. It's better not to have a membership vote at all if that's the case. That isn't democracy.

It is Democracy whether the governing party is Conservative, Labour or the Monster Raving Loony Party!

Jesus wept.....

No. Back in 2007 Tony Blair resigned as PM two years after a general election. The Labour Party had a leadership election in which Gordon Brown was elected unopposed. I think we had the same comments then about how undemocratic was, but for all the same reasons as many have explained here, it wasn't.

Yes, it's all too often "well we wouldn't be in this mess..." The point is, we are, so what are your plans? I'm not seeing anything concrete from Labour

Damn, you're so right. I saw so many posts on mumsnet that lockdowns and restrictions should last even longer. It was scary to read it.

Yes, fptp is a limp version of democracy. But hopefully that will change…

we are a parliamentary democracy, not a presidential system. When you vote for the tories or support the tories, you are voting for the whole party- the left, the right, the centrists, the crazies. When you vote for Cameron or may or boris, you aren't voting for them, you are voting for whoever the 1922 committee or the members decide to appoint.

Its why as a Jewish person, I stopped voting labour when they had a problem with anti-semitism but voted lib dem (though the lib dem standing in my constituency in 2019 was a Jewish ex labour MP who had been hounded out of her own party by anti-semites). Now that they have managed to purge the party of corbyn, i will consider voting labour again.

This is a parliamentary democracy - this is how it works.

The last GE was only in 2019 and the Conservative party won by an 80 seat majority. If you're the kind of idiot that votes for a party rather than your local MP then there's no help for you really. Always look at what your local candidate stands for, attend the hustings, ask the awkward questions and get a feel for whether they're the best person to represent your area - forget about what colour they wear, because they can change allegiance anyway!

The only thing that's vaguely entertaining about this ridiculous situation of 10 Downing Street seemingly having a revolving door is the clearly racist people who have been dyed in the wool conservatives for pretty much their entire life now frothing at the mouth because deep down they're racist but can't publicly admit this so are inventing all sorts of other reasons to hate Sunak when frankly he probably is the most competent amongst the den of thieves and con artists that make up the Conservative senior table to lead the party and country into 2023.

As a non-conservative voter over my dead body it's rather amusing to watch. May as well get something out of the shitshow that's going to make my life even harder.

Posted too soon.

This government have been an absolute shambles over the last 2 years. They lurch from crisis to crisis and just when you think they can't possible do any worse they find a way to do so.

People are rightly sick of it and want a change. Governments are quick to call snap general elections when they think it will suit them so why shouldn't the people be able to call for one when they've demonstrably failed at governing the country, and broken pretty much every pledge in the manifesto they were elected on?

Yeah, really do not want a presidential system.

I think it's fair enough to shout for a GE if it's because you are disgusted with the behaviour of the MP you voted for. I would if Nadine "sleeps with a lifesize Boris cutout" Dorries was mine!

The same party is in in power-the party that was elected. That party may have different leaders but it is the same party that won the election.

For fuck's sake-it's not difficult.

A party wins an election, not a person.

Looking at your local MP doesn’t help when they’re forced (whipped) to vote along party lines on many issues, regardless of local feeling. So party policies matter hugely.

The best person for the job is the person who is partially responsible for the financial mess we are in? Is that a joke? He printed over £400 billion during covid. He's a major part of the problem.

3 pms in 7 weeks is piss poor. Has there ever ever been so many in a short time? There needs to be a GE ,the political landscape is so different to 2019 and the British people should have the right to decide.