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Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 24/10/2022 14:06

This is not democracy.

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SilverGlitterBaubles · 24/10/2022 17:44

I am happy that the Tory party have remained so they have to clear up their horrendous mess. I am not necessarily convinced that they will do this but we have had no properly functioning government for months now while the country is facing multiple crises. We literally cannot afford the distraction of a GE right now. I want ministers to concentrate of the cost of living, NHS, winter energy crisis etc not campaigning to be re-elected. The country needs to have a period of stability to get through a really difficult period.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 24/10/2022 17:44

Rishy is PM. For the next two years at the very least.

Hardly. He's taken over the leadership of an incredibly divided party who are polling appallingly and who haven't actually managed to unite behind a PM in office for any sustained period since the late 80s: the coalition period is different because the right of the party were unable to throw their weight around due to the presence of the Lib Dems. It simply isn't the case that he's definitely going to be able to stay in office until the next GE. Things are very, very much up in the air.

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 17:45

Badbadbunny · 24/10/2022 17:42

You don't pay tax twice. There are double tax treaties with most countries meaning you only pay the highest rate in either country. So if the tax rate is, say, 20% in India, and 40% in the UK, you'd pay the 20% to India and a further 20% to the UK, total 40%.

Yes, I am not in the UK, but that is basically my point. Why would I pay tax twice, or anyone else? It doesn't make sense.

Worriedddd · 24/10/2022 17:45

mathanxiety · 24/10/2022 17:38

Again the average age of death for COVID even in the early stages of pandemic was 82.4 higher than total life expectancy.

So do you agree with the 'let them pile high' approach of Boris Johnson then, and the excess deaths don't matter as long as it's the old who die?

What a load of overly emotive rhetoric. The very elderly can die of all sorts even a simple urine infection or drink going into their lungs. They do die of pneumonia and flu. Many would have died anyway of one of these things relatively quickly even without COVID because they are very elderly so struggle to fight off infections.

It might not be nice but that's the truth.

Proudtory · 24/10/2022 17:45

Quirkyme · 24/10/2022 17:43

@Proudtory

Hate it when people use the word "ethnic" I this way".
I think the correct words you meant to use were "ethnic minority"?

The word ethnic means relating to a race of people. We all belong to an ethnic group so using the word "ethnic" in the way you have makes no sense at all.

English is not my first language is that an issue for you?

SilverGlitterBaubles · 24/10/2022 17:46

Holidayexpert · 24/10/2022 17:36

Aye! I listened with my mouth open driving home from work to a Tory voter who said the people in his area were concerned that sunak wasn’t fully British!

And this is why we had Brexit 🙄

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 24/10/2022 17:46

sleepwouldbenice · 24/10/2022 17:16

This
It's happened under labour and conservative
It's actually a key part of our democracy
We can choose to change it, but I bet labour wouldn't if they were in power
I get the sentiment, but it's a pointless argument

It didn't though (I am not a labour supporter) Truss being elected is similar to the Blair/Brown handover.

This is removed again. Truss did what she said she would do when she was elected, that is democracy, elect someone to do what they say. The moment she was removed democracy failed.

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mathanxiety · 24/10/2022 17:47

The average age of death for COVID was 83 , higher than the average life expectancy in total . We fucked up the entire economy for that.

The economy was already in the pan thanks to Brexit. Covid only meant that the unleashing of the free market ideology that the markets responded so badly to got delayed.

Worriedddd · 24/10/2022 17:48

sst1234 · 24/10/2022 17:43

You are really trying hard to push the false dichotomy but it’s not working. The elderly should have been locked down, shielded, quarantined, call it what you will. Healthy workers keeping the economy running as normal.

‘Don’t kill granny’ argument was as pathetic then as it is now. It wasn’t a choice between killing granny or killing the economy. It was a an obsession with restrictions by people who liked being babied and the government spending big. The austerity coming down the road, to pay for lockdowns, will kill far more grannies. Let that sink in.

This 10000 percent.

Bard6817 · 24/10/2022 17:50

Have been a tory all my life. I’ve never cited labour or for anyone else.

It’s time for a change.

GE Now.

I won’t vote but Tories need to be ousted.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 17:50

Endlesssummer2022 · 24/10/2022 16:49

George Osbourne and Rishi Sunak are responsible for ruining our economy with austerity and excessive borrowing. Truss and Kwarteng were holding the parcel then the music stopped but our economic woes did not just start last month. They’ve been long in the making.

I can’t believe we’re praising Rishi for coming to save the economy when his mismanagement resulted in billions being written off through fraud. He also voted for Brexit which no serious financial expert would ever have backed as it was clearly economic suicide.

I think Sunak has been installed so he can take the entire blame when the economic tsunami of shit hits the fan.

Who committed fraud? The good British people. That's who.

Worriedddd · 24/10/2022 17:50

mathanxiety · 24/10/2022 17:47

The average age of death for COVID was 83 , higher than the average life expectancy in total . We fucked up the entire economy for that.

The economy was already in the pan thanks to Brexit. Covid only meant that the unleashing of the free market ideology that the markets responded so badly to got delayed.

Well I'm remain but the whole of the west's economy is battling inflation and troubles. It also harks back to 2008 and using QE to never let the market naturally correct.

megaz · 24/10/2022 17:51

Scarlettpixie · 24/10/2022 14:25

We vote for MPs not PMs. I am fine with the elected MPs choosing their party leader. Better that than party members who are more likely to be male, white British, a Leave voter, middle class and living in the south of England.

Found the racist

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 17:52

Legrandsophie · 24/10/2022 17:25

I know several (although obviously not all) and they voted for Truss because they didn’t consider Sunak British enough.

I think that putting it to members again would have been a mistake

I think that's a bad decision, but I am not willing to think it's always an anti-minority thing.

There were people who had similar feelings about Boris having ties to the US.

There are people on this thread who I think were actually Labour supporters who feel that having a wife who is a nom dom he essentially has no real skin in the game in the UK. That is, doesn't really see himself as British, so much as an Indian, or maybe an internationalist.

It can often be questioned when an important political figure has close ties with another country, financial or otherwise.

Believeitornot · 24/10/2022 17:52

Worriedddd · 24/10/2022 17:45

What a load of overly emotive rhetoric. The very elderly can die of all sorts even a simple urine infection or drink going into their lungs. They do die of pneumonia and flu. Many would have died anyway of one of these things relatively quickly even without COVID because they are very elderly so struggle to fight off infections.

It might not be nice but that's the truth.

What about the millions of people with long covid? The increased risk of cardio vascular disease (heart attacks, strokes and diabetes) that present across every single age profile and health profile of the population after a covid infection?

It’s not just a killer of old people. Fucks sake.

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 17:53

Badbadbunny · 24/10/2022 16:49

Rishi isn't fit to be PM. He excluded 3 million self employed/freelancer/casual workers from the covid support schemes (10% of the workforce) and then lied about it in Parliament.

Hi @Badbadbunny

Would you happen to have a link to that as I've heard it mentioned a few times recently but it escaped me at the time (I put a self-imposed ban on all news during covid as it was destroying my sanity). I'd like to read a bit about that to see what justification he gave and who was affected. Thank you.

MissyB1 · 24/10/2022 17:53

Holidayexpert · 24/10/2022 17:28

Just for clarity, I think Sunak is a cunt. I hope he’s hounded out, just like truss and Johnson was😃

Couldn’t agree more!!

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 17:54

Kissingfrogs25 · 24/10/2022 16:50

The simple fact is Mangly Sunak has no mandate whatsoever to be PM, he had only been in government for five minutes, he barely has any experience. It certainly is not acceptable not to me, not to the party or the 18 million voters.

Don’t worry though - and hold your hats - because this has been a total stitch up from beginning to end and the fur is now really going to fly.

I take no pleasure saying that.

I'm pretty sure that he was Chancellor for a few years there? A little more than 5 minutes.

UnCivil · 24/10/2022 17:54

Gymnopedie · 24/10/2022 15:22

Was also going to make the point about Tony Blair stepping down and Gordon Brown taking over as PM. Did they even have an election for leader, I can't honestly remember?*

And as for furlough. If we were going to go into lockdown - which most countries did and many people complained that it was lifted too early - what was he supposed to do. Imagine the uproar if either there had been no furlough or he had said employers had to go on paying wages. he was hailed a hero for furlough when he first announced it.

I carry no torch for RS, but at least he understands the economy. He knew what the consequence of furlough would be.

There has to be financial pain now, whoever is in charge and whichever party, however much Labour would like to claim they'd be different. Otherwise we're up shit creek even further than we are now.

^I've just looked it up. Brown got 313 nominations from MPs, the other challenger, John McDonnell got 29. Pretty much a coronation.

BoJo fans constantly parrot the “he got all the big calls correct” regarding COVID…surely as PM he could have sacked his Chancellor if he hadn’t supported the furlough scheme?

Abhannmor · 24/10/2022 17:54

She reminds me of a 1960s air hostess. Quite sweet really. For a barking mad Tory.

MangyInseam · 24/10/2022 17:55

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 17:35

I'm pretty sure we could give a few of them jobs as surgeons too.

Oh, I'll bet the people in medical recruitment haven't thought of that! That could change everything!

BasiliskStare · 24/10/2022 17:56

I agree with a period of stability. If Rishi can't do it then a vote of no confidence would trigger a GE.
BTW Keir Starmer is reputed to be worth about £7m ( NB I am not his accountant - this is from just reading stuff so may be entirely inaccurate ) - but if true or even half true is he any more capable of understanding people not being able to turn the heating on etc.

I would like ( and have said above have voted both Labour and Tory ) a time of stability & if Rishi cannot do it then either vote of no confidence or we will get a GE in time.

MariEllie · 24/10/2022 17:56

Just note that bankruptcy risk for the UK has fallen below that of France as Rishi Sunak restores the Government’s financial credibility, and markets radically reprice the political risk premium of this country.

justasking111 · 24/10/2022 17:56

Not while Putin is running amok. I'd like to see that settle down. A cold winter should bring about a shift in attitude

IstillloveU · 24/10/2022 17:56

MariEllie · 24/10/2022 16:55

Hilarious all these Labour supporters blaming Subaru when there was Starmer urging more and more lockdowns in spite of the vaccine. If Starmer was PM we’d probably be locked down still!
just to remind you who are calling for a GE that we do not elect the prime minister we are like the government and they elect the prime minister. We are not a presidential democracy

Who is Subaru? The car manufacturer?

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