Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

[MrsRobinsonsHandprints]

This is not democracy.

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This is removed again. Truss did what she said she would do when she was elected, that is democracy, elect someone to do what they say.
She was elected by a small number of people in Britain, though 57% of party members, most of whom probably do not hold degrees in finance or economics from reputable universities.

The moment she was removed democracy failed.
Again, no. She lost the confidence of her own party and of Parliament. If a vote of no confidence had been tabled, she would have lost it, or there would have been a riot at the point of voting, as happened with the fracking vote, or the whips would all have resigned, and the Pound would have tanked even further.

Sunak received 43% of the votes from the party membership in the leadership contest against Truss.
He received 137 votes from the Parliamentary Party, vs 113 for Truss.

There is no reason to believe he won't press forward with the agenda he outlined when running against Truss, both PP and local party members.

I can see why Conservative Party members are not happy. They rejected Sunak and now he's PM. They rejected Hunt and now he's Chancellor.🤷‍♀️

However YABU @MrsRobinsonsHandprints I don't think a GE is the answer right now.

This just took me aback a bit and I had to think about it. The fact he isn’t white never even occurred to me. I can’t actually believe some people would care

just to remind you who are calling for a GE that we do not elect the prime minister we are like the government and they elect the prime minister. We are not a presidential democracy

This.

Hilarious all these Labour supporters blaming Subaru when there was Starmer urging more and more lockdowns in spite of the vaccine.

Starmer didn't have any power. I have no problem at all with criticising him for his covid stances, particularly when he was flirting with wanting more restrictions at the end of 2021, but the people to hold accountable are the ones who made the decisions. Stamer simply wasn't important enough to fall into that category. His views didn't matter in enough. That's just how it is when you're a newly installed Opposition leader going up against a party with a huge majority.

@AlderAppleAsh

I know you might mean well when you say "I actually can't believe people would care"

But like it's kinda annoying when people say things like this, or seem like shocked that racism exists.

Yes, we know it shouldn't bla bla bla bla, but in 2022 it does.
Like how much of a big big rock must you be living in to not know that racism exists in 2022.

Many would have died anyway of one of these things relatively quickly even without COVID because they are very elderly so struggle to fight off infections.

So throw them under the bus because they're practically dead anyway...

Are human beings really expendable? There are higher values than human life?

So people saying 'can't vote labour cos of Jeremy Corbyn' weren't voting for a PM ?

😂😂
Subaru always get the blame!!!

Oh do fuck off. I was quoting from the FT. Here is the article if you want to enlighten yourself. Financial Times - Tory Party Membership Demographic

When I click the link it is behind a paywall but it came up on a google search. The article is called - Who are the Tory party members picking the next UK prime minister?

You're voting for the candidate of a specific political party in the UK.

The majority party will send one of its members to Buckingham Palace and the formality of the Monarch asking him or her to form a government will take place.

If the leader of the majority party dropped dead the day after the votes were counted, a new leader of that party would be invited to shake hands with the King and asked to form a government.

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If people wouldn't vote Labour because Corbyn, more fools them. The fascist tabloids have far too much influence over public opinion in the UK.

I'm pleased that the first Asian PM has been elected (less pleased it's a man).
Not pleased that he's a billionaire (who can't fill his car at the pump).
But .. that's all by the bye - personal musings.
Much more importantly, he was Chancellor when we got into this mess so I'm not optimistic he'll be great getting us out of it. Better than Boris or Truss - yes.
But that's an exceptionally low bar.

I'd have much preferred a General Election.
Where I would NOT have voted Tory.

My dad died in March. He'd have been 94 in June. Now if Covid got him at 84 he'd have missed 10 mostly good years. I found the laugh 😂 emoji earlier a bit annoying tbh. Lots of elderly ppl have underlying conditions and cope reasonably well for years.

Since we're ordering our ideal scenario, could I get an appointment with my GP on Monday please and an appointment with my dentist on Tuesday? Oh and since you're paying could I get a side order of a 20% pay rise and a 10% cut in income tax?

It's a very partial truth. How many 50 or 60 year olds died? Answer: a whole bunch. Averages are only one way of presenting data.

How many people have been forced out of the workforce by Long covid ? Answer: well no one is actually counting but, judging by the waiting lists for the long covid clinics it's quite a few? What's the cost of that to a) the economy b) the country?

I can see why Conservative Party members are not happy. They rejected Sunak and now he's PM. They rejected Hunt and now he's Chancellor.🤷‍♀️

And the issue, apart from the fact they will leave the party in droves now, put simply who is going to lay the ground for any election, or knock on doors and drum up support? Who is going to spend their weekends and evenings working on an election for Sunak. A leader that no one voted for except the men in grey suits. The total disregard is seismic and totally irreparable. Even the Sunak supporters are quite frankly stunned at this development.

Unless Sunak is the best PM we have ever had, and rides us out of this crisis and goes on to be absolutely bloody incredible he is dead meat anyway.

I have heard from very reliable sources that Boris did in fact have the support required, more than the 100 backers required, and he wanted to run but pulled out unexpectedly. There is much much more to this than meets the eye.

I am ashamed to be British.

Sunak is going to rain down the hardest hitting cuts and fiscal policy we have seen in decades. In fact he has just announced this intention publicly. So watch out folks. You think Truss was bad, buckle up, because the proverbial is just about to hit the fan and some. The Conservatives have clearly given up all hope on the next election - hence their indifference with party members, that is now written it off, so now they will do their worst in the next two years. I am a conservative, and I now feel very afraid of what is coming next. Sunak won't be thinking with his heart or his past experience of poverty which is non existent - he will be thinking purely through his spreadsheet.

A leader that no one voted for except the men in grey suits.

43% of party members voted for Sunak.

@Worriedddd how many health workers died with COVID, I’m sure they weren’t in their 80s

Not true. He had officially substantiated support from over 180 MPs earlier today. BoJo claims that he had reached the magic 100 but there was no official confirmation and Penny M got no where near the 100 required to move to the next phase.

Question for Tory party members - some have said they'll resign

what you like to have happened?

this is unprecedented, but if the party felt Truss had to go, then with Penny withdrawing, what was the alternative?

I remember being shocked by Brown replacing Blair.

I love your 'weapons grade stupid' and I'm stealing that one.

However, that opportunists swindled the government facilitation of the furlough scheme is on those swindlers - it's not the government's fault.

Covid was an horrific bastard of an illness.

Local authorities refused to work mainly, as they have secure jobs and like to wfh and really enjoyed furlough.

What isn't democracy? That a self-selected unrepresentative, tiny group of people from a narrow, extreme right tiny demographic get to choose the leader of the country?

And they did so well last time...

As a member I’m frankly relieved at this point.

The members generally do not seem to grasp how the HoC works and want to choose their favourite with total disregard for the need to have the support of the majority of the house.
They should I know but lots that I know just don’t.

If it had gone to a vote this time, with Rishi, Penny &/or Boris I think I would’ve had to vote Rishi and I come from Team Boris originally. If you see one candidate has the support of 200ish MPs, you have to hope the rest will fall in line, put up or shut up and things can actually get done.
If you keep choosing the minority candidate, chaos in the house will follow.

Maybe the members are learning/have learnt something over the past few months. If they keep carping on about a coronation and wanting ‘their say’ we’ll know they haven’t!

The Team Boris and Penny MPs will have to compromise, the members need to too. Here’s hoping!

Yet,you are quite happy to use the racist term, gammon.