Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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This is not democracy.

The simple fact is Mangly Sunak has no mandate whatsoever to be PM, he had only been in government for five minutes, he barely has any experience. It certainly is not acceptable not to me, not to the party or the 18 million voters.

Don’t worry though - and hold your hats - because this has been a total stitch up from beginning to end and the fur is now really going to fly.

I take no pleasure saying that.

This!

All the hate towards the tories on here - I seem to remember MN was about 99% “team lockdown” during Covid and people were getting told on here they were responsible for millions of deaths if they went for a daily walk for longer than 15 minutes or had a picnic on a bench!

So many people (mainly labour supporters) seem to have very short memories.

It’s time to pay the reaper I’m afraid.

Unite the party?! Are you kidding 😂😂

Looking at the history of PMs, even if we focus on the most recent ones, they also were not fit.

So judging by that criteria, nothing stopping him from also being someone "not fit to be PM" who is in the PM role.

Buckle up people. Now it’s time to pay for Rishi’s largesse when he borrowed and printed half a trillion pounds so that you could stay at home and bake banana bread and watch Netflix. Don’t remember anyone in these quarters complaining why healthy people were locked at home while the economy was being destroyed. Why so much rage at Rishi now?

yeah you say that now, safe in the knowledge of vaccines in the bag.

@MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake
You are more optimistic than I am. Nobody has ever managed to make PR sound sexy - and we had a referendum on changing fptp and The People Said No. Democracy is just better than the alternatives - not perfect by a long chalk.

Yes, better to have allowed who knows how many people to die/become disabled?

Lawd. Posts like this make me want to quit my damn job.

No. I'm labour. I would (and indeed did when Brown became PM) point out this is our system.

I'm gutted we are stuck with tories with a massive majority but it is what it is.

Some people are plain nasty.

Hilarious all these Labour supporters blaming Subaru when there was Starmer urging more and more lockdowns in spite of the vaccine. If Starmer was PM we’d probably be locked down still!
just to remind you who are calling for a GE that we do not elect the prime minister we are like the government and they elect the prime minister. We are not a presidential democracy

You mean because I’m a Scientist who works adjacent to Epidemiology and directly in BioMed, therefore supported the lockdowns because I understand how to contain an unknown virus?

Sure, I’m “nasty”.

The Prime Minister holds a lot of power of course we need to know what they stand for, their position on a whole variety of topics and more to the point the PM needs the mandate of the people to be able to lead at all.

Labour haemorrhaged votes because of Corbyn. It’s entirely normal to vote not just for the party, but also for the leader and what they contribute to our country. It’s a huge role and one most voters scrutinise carefully.

I have no idea what Sunak stands for apart from hawkish finance a passion for expensive shoes. He is entirely untested.

Stop being weapons grade stupid.

lockdown was not a political issue - it was a public health one, being followed by many countries around the world (don’t say Sweden because they did lockdown of sorts FFS!).

Covid continues to be a nasty virus, as the numbers of people with long covid and the higher risk of cardiovascular issues even after mild symptoms attests.

Jesus fucking wept.

The problem with Rishi’s schemes was the cronyism (contracts for mates!), billions wasted on test and trace (they could have done it much more cheaply via local authorities) and epic levels of fraud by handing the furlough money to businesses which meant they could claim for people who were actually working or didn’t exist.

How do you feel being a technocratic society?

Is anyone pausing to reflect on what we have lost here?
It goes well beyond party colours and tribes.
Probably more seismic than the passing of the Queen or even covid.

We are no longer a democracy.

I have always had sympathy with the view that changing PM should trigger a GE, and the man or woman leading can seek a new mandate based on their revised platform.

However what I find detestable about where we are as a country around this issue is the tired predictable hypocrisy that gets trotted out. Back when Blair passed the reigns to Brown, Boris Johnson wrote a polemic against Brown on how undemocratic it was. As you’ll notice crickets from him now.

Also I recall very few Labour Party advocates arguing for the principle back in the Blair/Brown days. In essence it’s only really a rule that criticised when people you want out are in, and when the people you want in are in there is usually silence.

If people want this to change you need to start caring about it ALL the time, write to your MP, join groups advocating electoral reform, and make it an active issue in British politics to matter who happens to be in government. Otherwise nothing is going to change.

I see it a bit differently, I’m annoyed an 80 seat majority PM was taken out for the reasons he was but I do not think he could now come back and potentially face the committee, and bring stability. We need stability atm more than anything.

But also there is precedent for this? Brown, May, others who were PM but not elected. Were people as upset?

We are no longer a democracy.

Of course we are. If Johnson had been crowned this afternoon you wouldn’t have given a stuff about democracy. Sour grapes.

You missed the lessons on Capitalization, though.

Yes they were 🤣

But remember - Boris Johnson did this to himself and the party. If he was competent we wouldn’t be here.

She was registered as a non domicile, which is a perfectly legal registration process. Nondom status allows you to choose taxation basis - you can choose to be taxed in the UK on worldwide income and claim double taxation relief in the other country where you earned the income. Or you can choose remittance basis ie pay taxes in the other country where the income is earned and pay UK tax on any money she brings into the UK to the extent that the UK tax rate is higher than the other country.
In her case, she earns her income primarily as dividend in India fromher shareholding in her father's company and is required to file returns and pay taxes in India at Indian rates. Let's say, dividend is taxed at say 10% in India and 20% in the UK to keep it simple. If she earns 10million in dividend, She pays 10% tax in India. And if she brings in 1million into the UK, she paid the extra 10% (20% uk rate minus 10% India rate) to HMRC. This is the remittance basis she was doing earlier- perfectly legal.

Now she has volunteered to switch to the method where she declares worldwide income in UK and gets double taxation relief for taxes paid in India.

So, in effect, what she has done is 100% legal. Tax avoidance ie using legal means to reduce taxation is perfectly valid. Tax evasion ie hiding income or conflating expenses to reduce taxes is illegal.

Why would she pay any more tax than she absolutely had to? Which millionaire does? Its only because of the optics that she's changed her nondom tax method.

The rules are written by the MPs for their cronies. People should be critical of such loopholes, not that people are using the loopholes because they can.

Really? Maybe I just didn’t care that much back then and missed the outrage I’m seeing here

Still it’s allowable within our system and still democracy

The problem with Sunak isn't that he's unelected, it's that he's a Tory.

The Tories could choose their leader by pulling names from a hat for all I care, I just want them out.

Thing is, whilst it isn't democracy, it is the way the UK has been operating for decades.

Your post reads as though you think Labour wouldn't do this or deserve to be in because Rishi is unelected. But Blair transferred to Brown with no election for Labour. They all do it. Not that it's right, but because it is our system, it does not call for a GE.

I think at this stage we are so fucked, that to have politicians spending their time on a GE would be ridiculous. They would campaign whilst the country essentially burns. I'd like to see rishi try to sort shit out rather than a GE.

I didn't vote tory and hate all politics

The Labour party did exactly that when Tony Blair resigned and handed over to Gordon Brown, without any input from the general public !

You missed the outrage? What planet were you on?