Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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This is not democracy.

Completely agree!
The ignorance around her tax affairs is shocking tbh!

And Liz Truss had the most diverse cabinet ever, for less than 40 days. Surely it doesn't really count if the leader doesn't win an election and gets the job in another way?

@maddiemookins16mum - This is going to come up time and time again. He is rich in his own right and his wife comes from a very rich family but she changed to pay UK tax on her world wide earnings. I share what I think your worry is , but I think time will tell whether it is a knee jerk reaction or whether he can actually form some policies which help all. I would hate to see a time where we can only have a PM on NMW In case they don't understand ( I exaggerate for effect ) . I speak as one who has voted for both major UK parties. I think we need some stability and see how he does - If not there will be a GE in time even if not immediately.

He wasn't born rich. His parents were middle class immigrants. He went into finance (did well) but also married money.

Out of curiosity, did you criticise LT? Net worth about 8.4m. BJ? Net worth of 1.6m. Not bad, I'd say.

How do any of them have inkling?!

I don't know.

The claim is always that the Tory party, and Tory voters, are racists.

Whatever you say, it's never enough. Lots of non-white MPs? A non-white leader? etc - It's always the wrong evidence. They are sing the person as a fall guy. He was chosen by MPs, not members. They are only superficially non-white. They are worse than white guys anyway.

It's bizarre.

All of this
We deserve a GE now
But it would be a poison chalice
Rishi has something to prove.

Much better than Boris

Hope for a GE in the spring?

they just needed somone to unite the party
install discipline

instill? discipline
as said before,
tory mps dont listen to Women

Can the country afford a general election at a time like this ? We need parliament to actually get on and do their job. I'm far from a Conservative voter but we need stability in parliamentary business.

And I would argue that democratically-elected MPs choosing the leader is far more representative than a any-loon-can-pay-to-join club choosing the leader.

yes, I know technically we vote for our constituency MP not the leader, but in reality is that really how it works. Think of all those who said they wouldn’t vote Labour because Jeremy Corbyn would be PM and all those who did vote Conservative who had never done so before because Boris Johnson was ‘a good chap’.

The MPs did.

at least we know who they are. It’s more dodge when it gets to the membership.

Having the MPs inside is important, as we saw with Truss it’s hard to function without it.

Absolutely. In the same way that we couldn't put everything on hold again while there was a full-blown leadership election with rounds of voting and hustings, we really can't afford the time or cost (in terms of the effects on the markets etc) that putting everything on hold for however long it takes to hold a general election would bring about.

I agree.
Bloomberg has predicted a lowering of interest rates just on the basis of Sunak winning. Now he has, things will hopefully improve in practice.

news.sky.com/story/rishi-sunak-prime-minister-latest-updates-penny-mordaunt-12593360

Now really isn't the time for a GE.

We don’t directly elect the PM.

So glad Penny pulled out she reminds me of liz to much. Rishi was basically the best out of a bad bunch.

Agree.

Going back to the halcyon days of the last Tory leadership contest … erm, all those weeks ago … member polling showed that Kemi Badenoch was the members’ favourite by a country mile. Nobody else would have had the slightest chance had she got enough nominations to get through to the final two - all the polling showed she would beat whoever was up against her, by huge margins. The membership absolutely loved her, even despite her relative lack of experience compared to the other contenders. I don’t understand how that fact (and it is a fact, the polling reports are out there for anyone to have a look at) squares with the wild accusations in this thread that the Tory party membership is hideously racist and couldn’t possibly choose a leader who didn’t have white skin.

Liz Truss won the last round simply because she was widely perceived to be more right wing than Rishi Sunak, and that’s what mattered to a majority of the membership. She didn’t win by anywhere near as much as she was projected to, so she should have created policy and strategy with the party’s pro-Rishi contingent in mind. She didn’t, because she’s a sh*t politician and lacking in competence, so: off with her head. Now the Tory party members I know voted for her are sheepishly admitting she was a disaster and - in line with today’s thinktank report on social conservatism vs economic conservatism - grudgingly acknowledging that maybe the country just wasn’t ready to have its entire economic system laid to waste immediately by Truss and Kwarteng. (Well, they’re not saying it in those terms obviously, more like “she should have been more strategic and done things more carefully”.)

As a rule, the British electorate don’t want hard right wingers the same way as we don’t want hard left wingers. And as far as Tories go, Rishi is the middle ground now, so he’s what’s needed. He wasn’t selected by the membership the first time round because he was too centrist for their tastes, but even my most delightfully bonkers Tory mates are suddenly remembering the benefits of some degree of centrism in light of an impending electoral wipeout.

Why do people think they’re voting for a specific PM rather than a party? They’re part of it, sure, but a Tory PM is still a Tory PM, and they’ve all been a shower of shit, the next one worse than the last one, then Tory voters that aren’t the super rich act all shocked when they behave like Tories?

Baffling.

She pulled out like 1 minute before the deadline because she didn't have enough supporters. Rishi probably agreed to keep her in her current role if she pulled out.

I agree.

I think it’s important to disentangle my feelings about Rishi being the PM (awful) with the need for a functioning government, even if it’s a right wing one! Let’s narrow the scope for fuck ups until 2024/5.

George Osbourne and Rishi Sunak are responsible for ruining our economy with austerity and excessive borrowing. Truss and Kwarteng were holding the parcel then the music stopped but our economic woes did not just start last month. They’ve been long in the making.

I can’t believe we’re praising Rishi for coming to save the economy when his mismanagement resulted in billions being written off through fraud. He also voted for Brexit which no serious financial expert would ever have backed as it was clearly economic suicide.

I think Sunak has been installed so he can take the entire blame when the economic tsunami of shit hits the fan.

Penny Mordaunt reminds me of a character from a Danielle Steele or Barbara Taylor Bradford novel.

Rishi isn't fit to be PM. He excluded 3 million self employed/freelancer/casual workers from the covid support schemes (10% of the workforce) and then lied about it in Parliament.