Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

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This is not democracy.

In the previous election for leader, RS won the vote of the majority of Conservative MPs. However there were enough white gammons in the house to make sure there was a white candidate through to the last two, and that person was always going to be the choice of the members, the majority of whom are also older white males.

A non-white, part Asian for leader of the party and PM? 'Come come old bean, he's not one of our sort'.

I think it's interesting that the Tories knew that they couldn't put this to the Tory members, because that racist membership would go for Mordaunt over Sunak.

And people like Graham Brady knew that Mordaunt would be a disaster for government.

And Mordaunt wouldn't pull out - she selfishly and cynically horse-traded till the bitter end over jobs for her and her mates, on the back of the shared knowledge of the racist Tory membership waiting in the wings.

So whatever job Mordaunt now gets in government was built on her manipulation and knowledge of racism.

Not a problem love tofu, read the Guardian, and undoubtedly 'woke' by the standards of the frothing Tories on this thread.

Ugh. His wife paid all the tax she was liable for. How many people here pay more tax than you are required to? Does anyone thank you for it?

Now she pays more tax than she is legally required to for her husbands job.

If you don't like it, campaign to change the tax system. But it's silly to attack people who are obeying the letter and the spirit of the law.

Bloody well said @IlonaRN

If this is the final nail in the coffin, considering the long list of despicable things that the Tories have done. One of which being partying on the graves of thousands of people - then it seems extremely likely that my opinion is valid and I stick by it. Hit a nerve? I wonder why.

This, I can imagine party members are furious

If the "loop holes" exist legally, then she's done nothing wrong. I'd put good money on most people doing exactly the same if they could through the PAYE system.

Oh, well. Look on the bright side.They'll be declaring it all now! Maybe that will boost the coffers.

Sure. The problem is if they are happy you the MPs are not. And we’ve seen where that leads.

Membership doesn’t always get it right, for Labour too.

Although I do sympathise with the we have to campaign line. It’s a tough one and problem Johnson didn’t have initially as both were aligned.

Or is it that Rishi's skin colour making you see things differently this time

Firstly you have no idea of my or my families skin colour. Secondly we can function in a society where if someone disagrees with RS it is because they are racist, they can disagree for a million other reasons.

LT was voted in, that is democracy in action, that is following the rules people are so keen to quote when refusing a GE.
MPs working to oust her when she does what she said she would is not democracy.

No it's not democracy, he was specifically rejected by his Party's members

No-one says that a party leader has to be appointed democratically, they just have to be appointed in accordance with the governing party's rules. If a party's leader was to be appointed democratically the entire electorate would need to be able to participate in the vote, but that's not how our (democratic) parliamentary system works.

LOL.

Today when Rishi Sunak has been announced as the next PM was the "last straw" for you?

I'm sure it was 🤣🤣
Joker

They are all coming out of the woodwork already...

Racists are smashing up their walls right now at this "abhorrent" news.

I'm sure Mrs Sunak paid what she needed to as a non-dom, and it is clear that her domicile of origin was not the UK, but the issue is more whether she really is intending to move back to India.

Maybe she has every intention of remaining a non-dom. Maybe she has every intention of making India her home. It doesn't stop her husband being a British citizen/resident - she's married to him, not glued to him.

Then not sure why you would have had a problem being identified as such. 🙄

Well said 100% agree. As for the all the other replies, I have no time to reply to people obviously baiting.

Not everyone here on Mumsnet is white.

Hahaha they wanted someone white of course

...never said I had a problem with it?

For the most part I'm just enjoying all the Tories chucking their toys out of the pram for tenuous reasons that 'definitely' have nothing to do with Rishi's ethnicity.

I think he does have the confidence of the House. Truss didn't, and that was the problem. It makes no sense, in this kind of situation, to have the membership making the final decision. To govern you need the House, not the party membership as a whole. The latter is nothing without the former.

It's an example of a party trying to make things more democratic, in an American kind of way, but actually undermining the logic of the system and making it unstable.

What's the problem? Rishi isn't white? You think that the Tory members should be the ones who get to choose the PM, not Tory MPs or the country?

Exactly this,

I was worried that it would go to a vote of party members as they are a very niche sector of society and do not speak for the majority at all.

It would also be crazy for members to vote in a candidate that a large number of MPs wouldn't work with (ie Boris).

Similarly the Labour Party have not ended up with the most mainstream popular leader in the past when the votes of momentum and the unions have had the greatest sway.

It's a question of words being able to mean more than one thing.

"Asian" is the same. He wasn't born in Asia, so why call him Asian? Well, because it's his ethnicity.

English could be someone who is English in ethnicity, or also someone born in or possibly resident in England. I am in part English, as in, my ethnic ancestry is partly English, I was not born in England.

People are not consistent in how they use these words, and that's just as much on the progressive left. They tend not to want to call a white person born in Asia Asian, for example. It can be a reflection of racism by whites, but denying the possibility that a white person can be English ethnically, or Asia (or African) by birth is a kind of left racism.

Funny that you are the who brings his ethnicity into this, I wonder why? Also you have no idea what mine is, so why should I care?