Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

[MrsRobinsonsHandprints]

This is not democracy.

This is probably why they chose him.

He actually understands economics and with Labour having such a huge majority predicted in a GE they also need someone who will follow some of their policies around tax because it won't be something the Tory's can be pulled up on if Labour would do the same.

Well you obviously identify with what you said I wanted to call you. So if that's how you identify...

God knows I couldn't hate the tories more.

But as someone whose direct ancestor died in jallianwala bagh I am hysterically crying

This is what I'm on about.

This. All I can say is good. Anything that makes them seethe can only be positive.

IME, the vast majority of people who would describe themselves as "English" rather than British are white, yes. It has certain... connotations, sometimes.

I happen to have been born and lives all my life in England, am white and never use the word English to describe myself. I have British nationality and passport.

Two topics to get the pearl clutches, clutching

Tory hate
Dog hate

Off the scale for the trigger factor.

Who you vote for vs who the guidelines say you should vote for are 2 different things. And are treated by such even by MPs themselves.

I quite understand I am meant to vote for my MP and that is the mechanism by which my vote is registered.

But what actually drives people to vote may differ wildlely and lots of people don't really know their MP so choose their vote based on what they know of the Party and of its leader. They do vote for Prime Ministers, using the loal MP mechanism to do so.

What's more, when expedient, the Parties themselves encourage this. In the 2019 election, my local MP encourage people to vote for him because "only Boris can get Brexit done". He was actively encouraging people to give him a vote based on their desire to see Boris as the PM. It's the reason certain MPs went public for Johnson claiming he was 'the ONLY one who had a mandate to lead.

There is a reason why the PM job gets so much news coverage: afterall, if it was simply a role of 1st among equals, as it is meant to be, it would not attract that level of attention. Ditto, there is a reason the PM candidate often spends so much time travelling the country to help encourage votes. If they didn't want voters to consider this when voting, they'd stay away.

Governments want voters to vote for a PM when they think it will help them. Now we get to people rejecting a PM, asking for a GE and they want to fall back to the letter of the law as a reason not to. Cake and eat it, springs to mind.

@JoinedForThisPost yes, me too

His wife used loop holes to make herself even richer than she already is. She avoided paying tax, in this country.

Now he’s our pm. It’s a fucking disgrace.

If the dogs had fucked as many people's lives up as the Tories then the hate for them would be justified

@Namechangeforthis88

completely agree!

As I'm sure even you know, in the UK we do not, never have, elect the Prime Minister, is that simple enough? It happened under Labour too, Blair/Brown, Wilson/Callaghan, do they not count?

You might to change your username then @Proudtory

#notsoproudtory

No it's not democracy, he was specifically rejected by his Party's members, according to the official process in place. Just because Truss was a disaster doesn't negate that fact. If the best candidate the Tories could come up with wasn't up to the job why should the second-choice candidate get a chance, it would be better to let the country have a say.

Why stop there. Why not be overt with the analogies and just call them coconuts. Go on, come out with it.

This is why the left is so sinister. Because they pretend to be tolerant but this is the true face of progressives on the left.

@Stars71

What are you talking about? Who called who a bigot at the drop of a hat?
I'm not a labour voter. Have never claimed to be one on this thread so not sure where you got that from?

We have an english man, who happens to have brown skin.
Somebody's FIL says he is not english because he has brown skin. Only white people can be English.

You say that that is not racism and then say a bunch of incoherent stuff about virtue signalling and bigots and labour.

It is racism. Your posts make no sense.

What are you talking about?

I think that is a reasonable thought, but it has to be followed through in the right way.

Basically, it's concerning because what it suggests is a serious lack of coherence in the party. The more they can't find a leader who the majority of MPs can get behind, the more it looks like a non-confidence situation.

Say Sunak fails, what's next, Mourdant? I don't think the MPs would follow her unless she could cobble together a coalition. So, then the government fails, and another GE.

But the system is basically built to try and avoid another GE if it is at all possible that some leader can hold the house, because situations where you keep having GEs, which is a possible thing, look at Italy, are destabilizing and ultimately really compromise the function of the nation. It's really the CS in charge there.

Personally, I think Sunak can pull it off. Truss was a mistake, and IMO it happened because of allowing the party members to vote. It's a bad rule that will tend to lead to destabilizing choices in this kind of situation.

Clearly you're a racist dear, dragging it up unecessarily.

Do you always think married couples should be jointly punished for what one of them does. I mean should you get life if your husband commits murder? Get locked up as a paedophile because your husband abused a child?

Weird.

What a load of bollocks. We don't have to pay for it - if they make us, that's a political decision, not an economic one.

Meant to add- that doesn't mean, of course, that people who define themselves as "English" are white (or racist) or that people can't define their nationality the way they want to. But I think there is a certain type of person who defines themselves as English rather than British, and that type of person is quite likely to be white AND to think nobody non-white is English. All nonsense, of course.

Unless you are nom dom !!!

Erm, wasn't he the one that decided tons of QE and giving lots of businesses loans without any checks was a good idea? Not to mention the billions lost to fraud during the pandemic. I get that it was an unusual time, but there wasn't really much foresight about how it was all going to be paid back was there? He must have known there would be issues with inflation. Of course the will blame the war for all this though.

We are in this mess due to his decisions, but you are right, the rest of them are too useless to know what they are doing to get us out of it.

God help us!