Rishi is PM - coronation, unelected -GE Now

[MrsRobinsonsHandprints]

This is not democracy.

I'm sorry, that sounds really tough.

Did you claim furlough? Be careful with your argument, if you benefitted from any concessions, during lock down.

BBC reporting, btw, that Sunak has just told Tory MPs behind closed doors that there won't be a general election. So regardless of what you think about that, we're stuck with this bunch for another two years.

Like I said, I know it's legal and possible.

But would many people who voted Labour with Keir at the helm be furious, would the opposition parties kick up a massive fuss? Yes, because arguably the Labour party (in this hypothetical scenario) wouldn't have won with Corbyn at the helm. So although technically we don't vote for the PM, does who the leader/possible PM is affect the vote in a big way? Obviously yes.

Best order a truck load of pearls.

I wonder how many people who are happy with Rishi to get us out of the mess he created, benefited from furlough. Maybe he should use some of his own many millions to pay back where he fucked up.

Oh my god no , he was offering money out left , right and centre. Bounce back loans, rishi dishes, , furlough money. All will have to be paid back !! They should have said clinically vulnerable to isolate the rest get on with it. We now need to pay the bill back from all the money printing.

Well yes. Only a lunatic would call a GE with labour so far ahead in the polls.
It's as likely as Charles dissolving parliament and forcing one, ie. not going to happen.

The thing is with electing a leader (directly) by mass vote--it is bloody hard to get them out! For instance, no US president as ever been removed from office although several have been impeached.

So, yes, having 3 PMs in a few months is pathetic, embarrassing and terrible economically but at least we can get the fuckers out when necessary!

I didn't I worked 🤣 so people who worked are having to suffer for healthy people to have sat at home.

@MrsRobinsonsHandprints

Sorry, I must be misunderstanding you.

Are you saying that you think the vote in Crimea, and the subsequent recent votes in other regions of Ukraine, were actually valid elections? You think those elections were not rigged with the results already predetermined?

You think those votes were real, valid, democratic elections?

Yes I didn't get anything then but I will be paying for it now.

Absolutely, I don’t see why anyone would think the Tories would call an election now. Labour are ahead in the polls and the Tories may not be my cup of electoral tea but they’re not politically suicidal.

I've never voted Tory in my life and I doubt I ever will. I can't vote for Labour, though, while they have this asinine unscientific approach to gender ideology. I disagree with them on that point, I think it matters a lot, and to me it suggests they can't be relied on to use critical thinking and rely on expert evidence-based policy advice on any issue. That bothers me a lot. They've kowtowed to the people shouting loudest without bothering to check that what they want actually stands up to scrutiny.

Same goes for the Greens and LibDems. Would also apply to the SNP if I still lived in Scotland.

Won't make the slightest difference to the outcome of the General Election as I live in one of the safest Labour seats in the country and my vote counts for absolutely nothing. Bring on PR!

Was Gordon Brown elected?

Ha! Spot on!

Those parroting that a GE is not necessary- when both Theresa May and Boris Johnson became leader in similar circumstances they both called a general election, which, to be fair, they both won. They both rightly realised that they needed an electoral mandate in order to govern.

Mo way does Rishi Sunak have this.

and he won’t call a GE, just because he’ll lose.

Then take that up with the furloughed lot. If the government had done nothing to provide financial assistance, that would have been wrong.

I cancelled my membership when he increased NI a few months back. He’s not a conservative. I’m politically homeless.

I understand people aren't happy. I'm not either, but it has nothing to do with democracy. When you vote in a GE you vote for a party, not a leader. The leader is still a Conservative. You would only have a point if he was from the Monster Raving Loony Party.

It's not democracy for the Tory membership.

Tough. They had their chance and nearly destroyed our economy with their choice. They’re clearly not to be trusted.

The annexation of Crimea was a based on a referendum in 2014 that breached international law on the issues of self-determination and right to territorial integrity. See section 73 of the Ukrainian Constitution.

I'm sure you don't realise that there is no right to secession/independence under international law. And this is democratic as well as legal.

The Crimean referendum was as illegal as the Catalonian referendum.

The UN voted to declare the Crimean referendum illegal. Mainly because Russian troops were already in Crimea beforehand which means it isn't a freely cast vote.

Additionally, Boris Johnson had no mandate at all as it was a Conservative Party manifesto. We elect governing parties to power. Not individuals.

You're digging a hole for yourself due to a lack of political knowledge.....

At the risk of repeating myself, Boris Johnson protested at Brown becoming PM. 'Trampled on the democratic will of the people' apparently.

Should he have done nothing? Let businesses go bust, not supported those with furlough, not tried to stimulate spending with EOTHO...

seriously, what should any chancellor have done?

Was Gordon Brown elected?

He was an elected MP, yes. The Labour party won the 2005 election so their leader was PM. When Blair stood down in 2007/2008, Brown was elected leader of the party in accordance with Parliamentary Labour Party rules.