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To really not like my daughter (18)

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fdkc · 21/10/2022 15:26

My daughter is an emotional abuser to me. She constantly puts me down, calls me names and is just a downright nasty, unlikeable person. She has no friends but has a boyfriend who I dislike because he is 19, finished school over a year ago and still has no job, he just sits around all day.

She lives with us, we have 3 other kids who are younger and I'm just not sure how much longer I can put up with her constant put downs. It's like I'm in an abusive relationship with no hope of getting out. Her dad, my dh has tried to speak to her but she just screams and shouts at him then and they end up in a massive row. She says she doesn't care what we say anyway cause she's 18 and an adult.

Is there anything I can do to help her be a nicer, kinder person and stop abusing me? She will likely be living with us for another few years anyway.

OP posts:
Lunificent · 21/10/2022 16:57

Have you ever had reason to think she might not be neurotypical e.g. autistic or demand avoidant. I ask because you mentioned her difficulty making and keeping friends. Her reactions seem like the extreme end of teenage anger.

Ladybug14 · 21/10/2022 16:59

The fact that her boyfriend doesn't have a job is no business of yours unless he expects you to give him money. Why do you keep putting him down? What's the point? You know it will antagonise your daughter

Your daughter knows she can get away with anything so she does

If you want things to get better you draw up a contract of rules. Stick to them. If she doesn't like the house rules (give her a month's notice of the new rules) she can leave

You do realise that you are setting yourself up for this same situation to happen again with your other children. They can see what she gets away with.

LittleSisterLeavingTown · 21/10/2022 17:01

OP you can frame it positively. "Me and your Dad have a great idea... you're going to move to [London/name of city]. We're going to help you out by paying your first month's rent. How exciting!" Etc. There must be some place she would be excited about living. A month's HMO rent will be money well spent.

Lotusmonster · 21/10/2022 17:04

Any history of trauma, self harm, risky behaviour (casual sex, drugs), suicidal threat or attempts, damage to home etc?
Any monthly pattern to the behaviour?

Gloryofthe80s · 21/10/2022 17:08

She’d be out the door the minute she turned 18 if she behaved like that with me. Why do you want your other children to see you being abused?

keepingwarm5623 · 21/10/2022 17:11

The house I rent from my landlord is my home, but as it's not my name on the deeds I have to pay for the pleasure of living in it. So should your daughter. Ease off the boyfriend, no teenager ever went off someone on their parents say so and it will just make things worse.

Instead set some boundaries about shared respect, paying her way, etc and have a deadline for her to find somewhere else if she doesn't want to comply.

Perfect28 · 21/10/2022 17:11

I think you could do with being more reflective here. You say she had an 'idyllic' childhood but don't really expand on that. You also said she was spoiled and had everything she wanted like it's a positive thing. However, the reason behind the feelings is not really the point at her age, she needs to know that it doesn't matter how bad you feel that's not a license to take it out on others. You should tell her to leave. Give a deadline, have a chat about the realities (likely will be a shared house unless you can financially support her) and then stick by it.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 17:12

She sounds deeply unpleasant. I'd ask her to leave.

Doubt her flatmates would put up with this bullshit.

Gumbal · 21/10/2022 17:13

So you were permissive parents who indulged her but probably let her down somewhere. You say you weren't perfect but by that you mean you know when you've failed her. The combination of indulging materially and filling to meet key needs does tend to build selfish adults. I suggest you forget the word abuse for now and stop the derogatory comments about her bf. They're not helping. See if you and she can connect somewhere and put it out there that you want to be friends and you're willing to get on board with treating each other with more respect. This may not be what you want to hear but you'll be modelling the behaviour you're seeking and also offering a chance to reconcile.

Glitterspy · 21/10/2022 17:16

fdkc · 21/10/2022 16:29

Nope you are wrong, she was always corrected and pulled up on her behaviour. She responded well to discipline until around the age of 15 then it was like talking to a brick wall. We still continued to pull her up on her behaviour but the defiance got worse then the verbal abuse started when she was 18. Her childhood was fairly idyllic, a bit like my own, there is nothing I could say that went badly wrong that may have impacted her.

I don’t think you’re actually listening to any of the responses you’ve had on this thread yet OP.

StrataZon · 21/10/2022 17:22

Why do you think she has no friends OP? Has this always been the case or something that developed later? Sounds like she struggles to relate to people appropriately.

Is she working or at college?
Maybe she needs more challenge n her life and to branch out a bit more herself. Can you sit her down and identify what her goals are for the next couple of years and work together to get her there?
My eldest went away to university last year age 18. She could have done the same course locally but she was ready for a big change in her life. That age group lost a lot of their formative years with covid restrictions last couple of years

Whatwouldnanado · 21/10/2022 17:36

Agree with Strata her cohort have had a rubbish few years because of Covid. Is she in school? Is she hoping for a certain career? What is she doing about it and how can you help,? She might be aware the boyfriend is a waste of space but frightened of being on her own. How about taking her out for a coffee, spending some time alone away from the other kids, perhaps driving in the car, and find out how she really is? What she wants to do next in life? Our 18 year old was, frankly, a complete cow while waiting for exam results, lashing out, being rude but she's fine, grateful etc now she's settled at uni (so far anyway).

LuckySantangelo35 · 21/10/2022 17:59

@Eupraxia

its not her house

its her parents

does she pay the mortgage ? No
so it’s not her house

Tropicaliyes · 21/10/2022 18:00

when exactly did parents start to feel like their hands were tied and you didn’t have the power to kick their kids out?

I mean I am 30 now however I was kicked out at 16 for something that wasn’t my fault! Im not saying that kicking your kids out for no reason is condoned however in this case, your daughter has given you every reason to not have her at home anymore!

As much as it’s where she lives.. it is NOT her house as that would take her paying the bills and she cannot even pay the small amount you have charged her! As you said, she has already expressed not wanting to be there anyway, so I don’t think she will be respectful anyway since it’s not what she wants.

you said she works full-time and won’t be going to college/uni and on top of that she doesn’t pay you rent or for things in the house like food and such… where exactly does her wage go?

She is no longer a child as you have stated and changed around 15/16.. as much as you don’t think anything has triggered this reaction, you cannot be sure as anything could have happened in her personal life but from the point that change had happened it seemed it hadn’t been addressed.

You need to make a plan, I think you should speak to your partner and come to an agreement on where to go from here. Ideally she needs to leave home, you are not going to be able to change her attitude and behaviour because she doesn’t see how much you are actually doing for her and usually they see it too late.

I’d recommend tightening things at home with her.. make sure she pays that small amount of rent you asked, don’t allow her to wiggle her way out of it because in the real world if she doesn’t pay her rent she would be left with no home. She also needs to cover her food bill.. if she wants specific things on the grocery list, let her get it. You said she already cooks twice a week but to be honest there are 7 days in the week so if you, your husband and your daughter cooked on alternate days there is one day left.. she can half that day with your husband or you.

let her know that as much as she may not like the way things are, she is living under your roof and the rules are made by your husband and you and if she doesn’t like them she can leave as they are not going to change.. If you have any chores that are hers to do make sure it’s done.. don’t let anything slip from this point on because in this country you are a adult at 18, which is when your signature becomes legally binding. You technically don’t have to have her in your household from this point on and not putting your foot down now means you will be having her in your house until she is 25/30 or older with the same entitled attitude.

I do think there are things that need to be addressed with her regarding her behaviour and attitude and why it is even there, however since it was left for a while I don’t think it’s going to get sorted.

sit everyone down and let everyone know what the new rules of the house are, include little things for your younger kids to do also so it isn’t just about her. Let them know you won’t tolerate any more disrespect as you run things not them (make this a general statement, not pointed towards her alone so she doesn’t feel targeted).

If you don’t want to just kick her to the streets then tell her you are going to take her (and her bf) out to look for a new place to stay.. get quotes on rent and match that with her wage and let her see exactly what she will be left with after rent, utilities and food.. if it is doable and she doesn’t mind then get some contracts signed up and should she fail on rent and get kicked out and end up back home out her rent at home up. If she realises at that point that she cannot handle the cost of her own place even with the cheapest place you can find she may just realise how much you are doing for her but nonetheless make her know that if she is to continue staying at your house, she is to follow your simple rules which includes watching her mouth and pay the cheap rent your asking.

Next time she threatens you with the police tell her to call them, don’t fear the police as they are not able to do anything to you, should they come to your house, explain the situation and that you have had enough of her abuse and would like them to do something about it! I can guarantee she wouldn’t try it again.

Gumbal · 21/10/2022 18:03

The phrase kick your kid out should be banned. It's disgusting.

CulturePigeon · 21/10/2022 18:05

OP 'm sorry you are going through this and I think you're getting a hard time here.

If she's playing the 'I'm an adult' card, sit her down and spell out exactly what being an adult means. If she's an adult in full-time work and she doesn't like your house rules (because it IS your house) then tell her she's really welcome to find her own home and live there as she wishes. Also, tell her what she'd be paying if you were to charge her a market rent.

Tell her that, if she behaved well and treated you and other family members with respect, you'd be very happy for her to live with you practically rent-free, as a member of the family (despite being an ADULT, etc etc) but while she seems to despise you and the family, then she needs to pay proper rent.

And you're absolutely right - have no truck at all with the awful boyfriend. It's her right and choice to be with him, but he has no right to even come to your house if you don't want him there. If they want to be together as a couple, they need to sort that out between themselves.

I hope it's a phase...but from what you've said, your other teens are different. I don't know why so many pps are jumping to the conclusion that you spoiled her - it's a sad fact that some people are just unpleasant. I hope things improve, but don't budge on the bf front.

MotherOfRatios · 21/10/2022 18:12

OP what is idyllic to you might actually idyllic for her.

look up attachment styles, you might not have met her emotional needs as a result she might have stuff going on and not feel able to open up/discuss with you.

I don't agree with her name calling but I'd suggest therapy for her, take her for a coffee and ask if she's ok? I've not seen you mention if she's ok once. She might be struggling with her boyfriend or something else.

also she's a pandemic teen have a little more understanding for her.

Papergirl1968 · 21/10/2022 18:13

I also think the Op is getting a hard time from some posters, but there is also some useful advice from other posters.
Op's dd sounds similar to my dds in that they called me fat and ugly, and generally spoke to me with complete contempt, and it does grind you down. Dd2's latest insult is to call me posh, which I just find strange!

DangerNoodles · 21/10/2022 18:17

I wonder what some of the responses would be if the OP's child was male. There would be no suggestions of coffee and therapy. Abuse is abuse, why should the OP and her younger children have to live with it?

Worthyornot · 21/10/2022 18:17

Absolutely tell her that her attitude changes or else she needs to look into living somewhere else. She sounds abusive and you have younger children. Have a good conversation with her, Lay down the rules and give her consequences.

MassiveSalad22 · 21/10/2022 18:25

She needs to go work abroad or something. She’ll find herself and all that entails. Harder to work abroad these days though! I reckon in less than 10 years she’ll be nicer, once she’s had some experience out in the real world.

MassiveSalad22 · 21/10/2022 18:26

MassiveSalad22 · 21/10/2022 18:25

She needs to go work abroad or something. She’ll find herself and all that entails. Harder to work abroad these days though! I reckon in less than 10 years she’ll be nicer, once she’s had some experience out in the real world.

With regards to funding that, she’s spoilt so I assume she has money.

drkpl · 21/10/2022 18:31

Sounds like the product of spoiling. I would ask her to move out or change her behaviour since she’s such a clever adult. It is possible at 18, I did and I’m 25 now. I’ve never moved home.
You need to do something before it rubs off on her younger siblings. I saw this happen with dp’s younger siblings. The older one behaved like this and her younger sibling started treating mil the same after a while. It was horrible, as mil is such a lovely person and didn’t deserve it at all.

Isithotinhere · 21/10/2022 18:43

Sounds very difficult for you and your other kids, and she does sound very immature.

Could you support her to move out - eg as a PP suggested, by paying deposit/first months rent for a room in a house share? Would help her grow up a bit and would get some space between you both and make your home a better place for the rest of the family. It's not kicking her out but helping her to be independent.

You really have my sympathy- a friend went through something like this with her eldest but she moved out when she went to university.

MotherOfRatios · 21/10/2022 18:43

DangerNoodles · 21/10/2022 18:17

I wonder what some of the responses would be if the OP's child was male. There would be no suggestions of coffee and therapy. Abuse is abuse, why should the OP and her younger children have to live with it?

I'd say the same thing this clearly is stemming from somewhere and I personally have lots of friends who's parents didn't meet there emotional needs but would shout they have them idyllic childhoods, when in reality they couldn't tell their parents about anything emotional including mental health issues.

It doesn't make her behaviour right but clearly some help would help her work through issues