Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

Morceaux
I can’t be bothered to read back the necessary amount of pages to see how it came about

Is that so.

John Rentoul:
@JohnRentoul
Sunak 7 away from 155, the number that would make it impossible for more than one other candidate to be nominated

"the continued litigating of ‘beergate’ is absolutely tragic."

Yes but it will continue because of the impending Privileges Committee hearings.

Out of interest- If "somebody" wanted to capture front page headlines tomorrow what would be the last time they could make a splash tonight and ensure it was in print?

If Johnson does get his declared 100, he will then have Sunak lending support to Mordaunt. If he has enough declarations he can do that.

This would cut out Johnson, and perhaps save the Conservatives from being in a death spiral as a party.

Dan Hodges (Daily Mail) tweets:

"Told one prominent Boris supporter is phoning MPs saying “we have to keep going. We have to kill off Rishi, and we have to kill off everyone who supports Rishi”. MP tells me, “Boris’s hard core supporters have gone mad. It’s like Waco in there”. So that’s reassuring…"

twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1584226891807879168?t=4VeYqZBMSTHfbtUPJzYW0w&s=19

WTF is going on 😳

It's not only parties that got Johnson in trouble with the law. Remember the pro-roging of Parliament?

Johnson is being investigated for misleading Parliament

Johnson’s camp have emailed the sun saying they’ve ‘just’ hit the 100 threshold, which is interesting as they told guido the same thing over 24 hours ago.

48 hours ago...

Indeed

twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1584226520817897473?t=MiVcrwK7VEDfdOMJNEP6uQ&s=19

Let's hope so. I'm genuinely terrified of what Sunak has in store for us. He was a shit chancellor. He can't even crack a smile when he knows cameras are on him- makes him look super-arrogant.

If BJ becomes PM again he'll lurch from scandal to scandal and we'll have a GE by Xmas.

In the process by which he became leader of the Labour party, which consisted of making the policies pledges the membership wanted to hear, presenting himself as the "unity" candidate continuing Corbyn's policy legacy under a more acceptable presentation; and then abruptly abandoning them, lurching the party to the right and throwing Corbyn under the bus (for stating facts that the EHRC report made clear anyone should be allowed to state) to signal his centrist credentials to soft tories. In the ruthless, dishonest and factional internal war that he has waged against party members who are inconvenient to him, in the frankly absurd way he has overseen the expulsion of much of the party's membership based on judging them retrospectively guilty for liking a Facebook post or two by proscribed groups who weren't even proscribed at the time of the posts in question.

Starmer is a Machiavellian, morally bankrupt Operator in a nice suit, who wouldn't know a scruple or a conviction if it hit him in the face. The only reason most people don't know this is that it's not in the interest of the country's mainstream media to report on it, given that his victims have mostly been the Corbynite left that the MSM are only too happy to collude in destroying.

I'm not sure this matters too much to centrists who might vote for him. That kind of ruthlessness is probably a useful quality in a prime minister, and he won't be able to get away with treating the public at large the way he's treated his own party. Noone on the left imagines there's any genuine left wing conviction (or any kind of conviction) behind him though. He's just moving chess pieces.

Interesting Labour supporters want Johnson

The economic situation won’t be so easy for Labour if it’s crisis then GE

Winter on top, no money - it’ll be tough

Supporting nationalisation of energy and intending to implement it as Labour leader.

Supporting higher taxes on high earners.

That it's antisemitic to point out (with statistics) that antisemitism was weaponised by the media for political purposes.

It's interesting how people attribute Machiavellian motives to starmer based on very little

Ignoring the actual evidence of law breaking, society wreaking, economy stripping tories we have been through lately

Considering how often Johnson lies, it’s very difficult to trust that he actually has 100 without proof of 100 names of supporters.

" it like Waco in there" ??? .
What the hell!

Well the worship of Johnson, both in Parliament and outside, is becoming close to a cult.

The supporting numbers (eg on Guido) are calculated via public declarations of support from individual MPs but when Graham Brady does the calculations, he’s the only one who will know the identity of actual nominators? A significant chunk of Johnson’s numbers seem to be anonymous (whips etc) and/or shy Johnson supporters. Still bluffing?

(((Dan Hodges))) AT DPJHodges
Penny's team also say they're starting to receive calls from Boris backers. As always, may be spin. But it does seem cracks may be forming in Boris's support base. A number of his supporters signed up on assurance he had the 100 names. And they are starting to have doubts.

Will Jennings AT drjennings
This important context for repeated claims that Johnson has 100 nominations.

Wisest thing to do is only go off public declarations of support, and even then be a little sceptical. All the rest is smoke and mirrors.

If he doesn't get to 100 the MPs who've publicly pledged support are going to feel like absolute fannies.

They are, aren’t they? 😂😂😂

The comment I saw on twitter was the most Johnson thing, Johnson could do would be to wind up all his supports, get them to wreck their credibility after publicly supporting him (after they called for him to be sacked earlier in the year) and then at the last second, declare he isn't standing afterall.

I honestly would look forward to Sunak and Johnson debating each other and having a go at each other to explain why they would be the best PM.

I would hate that. I reckon that head to head TV debates between politicians don't prove anything beyond who has the best soundbites. Also it's easier to make a good policy look stupid and bad policies look convincing then you've only got 5 minutes to explain it.

Am I right in thinking nominations have to be in by 2pm tomorrow? But we still don’t know exactly when Brady and his horse-smile will announce the results?