Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

I think if Mordaunt gets in front of the membership she’s got it.

When has one ever got what one wanted for PM? Cameron? (lightweight), May? (out of her depth), Johnson? (one of the biggest twats who’s ever lived).

At this point - someone grounded and sensible, even if lacking charisma, would be a big step forward.

Put it on online @Morceaux. The old racists in the members won't have Sunak because he's brown and isn't as full-throated in support for Brexit as some. Penny Mordaunt is notorious for pushing the "Turkey are about to join the EU!" lie just before the referendum and she's white so they like her.

You can only be brown and a Tory if you do things like say racism doesn't exist or be gratuitously cruel to asylum seekers.

Everything coming out of the Boris campaign is sounding a bit desperate now.

Failed talks with Rishi.
Failed talks with Penny.
Circulating a memo to MPs arguing he’s the only
one who can save the Tories from electoral wipeout.

But yeah, they have 100 backers, honest!

scaredoff
Does an interview like this show that KS is any worse in this respect than most others? I don't think so.

I thought Keir Starmer's whole modus operandi was that he was better in this respect than most other politicians - not that he was no worse than other politicians?

"Honesty and integrity matter. You will always get that from me.” ??

Sure, he was probably obfuscating and being deliberately evasive to his interviewers. That's a categorically different scale of issue from Johnson's repeatedly breaking the law

Repeatedly breaking the law? Johnson only received one fixed penalty notice?

The runner up might be prepared to pull out if they recognise that they will be in exactly the same untenable position as their predecessors without the backing of the Parliamentary party, and that further testing the patience of the public for the sake of a few weeks in office would not be a good move. Unless the runner up happens to be Boris, of course, as the man only thinks about himself.

@Morceaux -I think in part is not because he is not charismatic and cannot point to some achievement, he actually did exactly the thing they all dislike about him so much, which is to arrive like a ball of chaos, and make a lot of promises. That will never work now as it reminds the MPs of exactly the reason they didn't want him anymore.

Constituencies do not have the same political PTSD that the Parliamentary party suffer after Johnson.

Repeatedly breaking the law? Johnson only received one fixed penalty notice?

Because the Met, led by the appropriately named Dick, bottled it. The evidence submitted to the Privileges Committee is dynamite.

If you want sensible and clever when it comes to economics Sunak is a good bet.

Ok maybe not the drama of Boris but that kind of instability gets tired when it’s the markets and mortgages.

I can see the arguments for Johnson but he doesn’t have the party support and we need a government that can function

I was paraphrasing the Tory MP Charles Walker when I wrote 'talentless Cabinet', which Penny Mordaunt is in as Leader of the House of Commons.

Blossomtoes
Because the Met, led by the appropriately named Dick, bottled it

If you are going to go down that route then I would point out that Durham police didn't fine Dominic Cummings, Keir Starmer or Labour MP Kevan Jones;

www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/18484861.mp-kevan-jones-defends-decision-attend-100th-birthday-party-lockdown/

What relevance is that? All it proves is that more than one force bottled it. 🤷‍♀️

Oh not that Kevan Jones article again

Sunak will have made the most of those economic credentials. He will be talking to people with a plan.

Johnson cannot do that. This is why Sunak gets endorsements about credibility and focus. Johnson's plan, if he has one, must be much less developed. He needs a team to sell, not just himself.

This would explain the difference in the rating in the markers which is pro Sunak.

My main memory of beergate was Tory SPADs bragging that it was their most effective attack line ever against Starmer because the Mail and Sun ran with it for a week. Bless them, they tried their best.

Blossomtoes
What relevance is that? All it proves is that more than one force bottled it.

Well ok - but Tanith will probably be upset with you for trying to smear Keir Starmer's good name.

I’m not. That’s your job.

My main memory of beergate was Tory SPADs bragging that it was their most effective attack line ever against Starmer because the Mail and Sun ran with it for a week. Bless them, they tried their best.

Some of them still are, apparently.

I thought Keir Starmer's whole modus operandi was that he was better in this respect than most other politicians - not that he was no worse than other politicians?

"Honesty and integrity matter. You will always get that from me.” ??

Yeah well that's certainly bullshit.

Johnson doesn’t have the economic credentials.
Johnson does not have the work ethic to hold the office during a time of national crisis.
Johnson is about as far from a ‘unity candidate’ as is possible.
Johnson has an astonishing level of baggage, that would lead to further instability if he were to win.

This will be more subjective but I don’t see that he generally has any credibility left. We all know he wins the member vote if he makes it to 100. His campaign claims to have 100 backers. Based
on the betting markets, it doesn’t seem that anyone believes him.

Yeah well that's certainly bullshit.

Is it? Where’s the evidence for that?

What has Keir Starmer lied about? (other than the beer and curry work meeting)

It is because Johnson wanted Sunak to be his economic credentials. Well that had failed and the markets have presumably already had sight of what Sunak intends to do.

They don't know what Johnson would do. Trouble for him is, it looks he doesn't either.

I can’t be bothered to read back the necessary amount of pages to see how it came
about, but the continued litigating of ‘beergate’ is absolutely tragic.

Possibly the best illustration of how pathetic the Conservatives have become.

I can’t be bothered to read back the necessary amount of pages to see how it came
about, but the continued litigating of ‘beergate’ is absolutely tragic.

Cone on now, it wouldn’t be MN Tory thread without a shitload of Labour whataboutery.