Liz Truss has resigned. Part 3: The Return of the King?

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Continuation from last thread.

By Monday we could have a new prime minister, and by next Friday at the latest.

Will Sunak win this time, or could Johnson get his old job back? Would the Tory members once again go against the wishes of the MPs?

And yes I think Johnson sees himself as some sort of world king..

Cleverly has been told he can stay at FCO. That's okay as a reason to say yes to Johnson.

Rishi is weedy and unimpressive but personable. He would be fine as a stopgap in leading nationally. His problems will become apparent when he is dismissed and snubbed internationally. I suppose that he could just about do it with a strong team around him. The other problem is that there is no grounds for optimism given the direction we are moving in globally. It will be thankless and hard to build a positive legacy whoever takes over. It is about containment and not making catastrophic mistakes a la Truss.

I'm saying Kissing that Sunak will get towards 200.

Maybe Johnson gets his declared 100. But even if he gets on this ticket and wins, he is screwed. He will have a parliamentary party that don't want him, and no majority.

If Johnson had learnt his lesson, he would not be standing.....

Has anyone contemplated the scenario that if Johnson isn't going to get the 100 votes needed, that a big bulk of his supporters might throw themselves behind Mordaunt simply to stop Sunak? Would the pro Mordaunt + Boris' Stop Sunak coalition get to 100 votes? And if they did, would the members vote for Mordaunt over Sunak?

Yes.

Anything that humiliates Johnson works for me generally though.

Isn't it far more likely that Mordaunt and Sunak are happy to club together. I think so.

Yes. Nothing to suggest Mordaunt supporters are natural Johnson sympathisers.

I hope Sunak didn’t offer Braverman anything worthwhile for that endorsement, but he probably did. At least Rees-Mogg will be dumped if he gets it.

Tanith
you have to resort to lying smears to do so

I haven't told any lies - Labour have used imagery showing the Queen sitting on her own and implied that Boris Johnson was partying on the eve of Prince Philip's funeral when he was 40 miles away at Chequers - borntobequiet tried to repeat that smear. Are you disputing that Keir Starmer had a beer and curry with 16 other people 2 weeks after the funeral? He clearly wasn't sitting on his own and he tried to cover up how many people were there. Perhaps he was worried about optics?

Is she desperate?

We’re all pretty desperate. These are desperate times, courtesy mainly of the instigators of Brexit, the Leave campaign (feat. Johnson, Gove, the ERG and various shadowy think tanks), the right wing mainstream media and targeted campaigns on social media.

I don't think Boris is 'screwed' at all, as he will go on to win with the conservative party members and the MPs can either can get behind him, or defect to the liberal democrats where it appears they will be most at home anyway.

Knowing how self serving the Sunak supporters can be, of course they will just get behind Boris and try and win another term when he wins the next general election.

It will be much easier for all concerned if Sunak simply concedes at this point and agrees to come back on board and makes a run for PM another time.

@SleeplessInEngland - yes it's an interesting one because I am sure Braverman will want to stay in Cabinet.

Sunak will want immigration loosened if he wins, so it's a question of her as Home Secretary or something else. Justice Secretary perhaps?

All the "big beasts" will be marking out what they want. So some top level endorsement really comes down to this.

That must be difficult to endure.

Apart from the small detail that most are Brexiteers.

and the MPs can either can get behind him, or defect to the liberal democrats where it appears they will be most at home anyway.

Okay then...

You fancy a GE then?

Lucky for them Sunak voted for brexit then.

And before you say it, no one actually believes Sunak is a true Brexiteer.

Isn't the opposite also true though, that BJ persuades PM backers to switch to him given PM won't get anywhere near the 100? That then scrapes BJ over the line.

Honestly, no one’s asking you to sleep with him. Why not judge the Labour Party on its policies?

But brexit got done. Why do you still care either way?

I absolutely would like a GE with Boris in charge and in 18 months.

Honestly, no one’s asking you to sleep with him.

Uh?

Is that a serious post or a joke?!

No brexit most definitely is not done, and without a doubt most of us don't trust Sunak or the remainers that appear to be backing him.

Kissing, I don't know if you are member, but if you are, what you are saying is going to worry others who are. Johnson cannot be the only solution and everyone backs down. That is naive, because political parties must carry on. The Tory Party in parliament is thinking about survival. They are thinking, aren't they, that Johnson, while popular, has brought them to this awful place, by supporting Truss in a cynical exercise.

I understand Johnson has charisma, but I do not think he has the skills to maintain and form a team. Maybe he gets those endorsements soon but frankly I think he needed them yesterday to build momentum with people he will be working with.