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Tories are NOT on the side of women

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RoomOfRequirement · 19/10/2022 14:35

I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

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Sunflower987 · 21/10/2022 09:18

AutumnCrow · 21/10/2022 09:04

Nuts, isn't it? I know a local Labour councillor (to the point we're friendly) and asked him how these proscriptions would work for our DC with additional needs, and his lovely mum with some memory loss, and he said he knows it's unworkable.

Unworkable? How about obscene? It's obscene to put vulnerable people into the criminal justice system for verbalising the truth.

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It really is.
I find it so strange how people can support it or overlook it.
Just basic critical thinking skills explains how incompatible it is in society.

Blossomtoes · 21/10/2022 09:19

JaninaDuszejko · 21/10/2022 07:50

Frankly, I see no evidence that men on the left are any greater a friend to women than men on the right. Currently they are more captured on this issue.

I don't know all the details about the abortion buffer zones issue and how the bill was worded but I'd assume the right's objections are presumably about the right to protest, that would be ideologically consistent, if frustrating on this particular issue.

So you’re saying that, when confronted with a choice throwing women under the bus was justified? Yes, they really know what a woman is all right.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 21/10/2022 09:21

know this " knowing what a woman is" seems to influence mnetters voting. But the Tories don't know what a poor person is, what a working person is and what a dignified life is. All these issues impact women the most anyway.

Yep

Blossomtoes · 21/10/2022 09:24

I find it so strange how people can support it or overlook it.

You find it strange that people can see the bigger picture? Yes, I suppose you would.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 21/10/2022 09:26

Go on then, vote Tory and see where it gets you. Mordaunt, Nokes and various other Tory MPs take the view you purport Labour does. There’s a very strong chance Mordaunt will be the next PM. Where does that leave you? The damage the Tories have inflicted on women in the last 12.5 years is immeasurable but go ahead and vote for some more.

Yep.

Sunflower987 · 21/10/2022 09:27

Blossomtoes · 21/10/2022 09:24

I find it so strange how people can support it or overlook it.

You find it strange that people can see the bigger picture? Yes, I suppose you would.

I don't quite understand what you are inferring to here?

Sirius3030 · 21/10/2022 10:15

frombarneslady · 19/10/2022 14:50

I will not ever vote Labour for a zillion reasons

Although you couldn’t state 3 of them?

User14379 · 21/10/2022 10:25

I will be voting Tory as things stand

walkingonsunshinekat · 21/10/2022 10:27

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 09:10

Is it ok for women to be forced to address their rapist as she?

Is it ok for women to be forced to share prisons / refuges / women's safe spaces with men identifying as women, and not be able to call it out because misgendering is an aggravated offense?

There's already laws in place to deal with harassment which are more than adequate. We do not need additional hate speech laws or laws making misgendering an aggravated offense. Fuck that shit. And fuck labour.

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BUT thats the whole point isn't it?

These terrible things are happening under a Tory Govt, due to public spending "reforms" and yet you want more of the same?

The Tories are trashing the economy, so less money for vital public services we need.

Hate speech laws are vital for us all, wanting to remove them is a backward step.

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 10:44

walkingonsunshinekat · 21/10/2022 10:27

BUT thats the whole point isn't it?

These terrible things are happening under a Tory Govt, due to public spending "reforms" and yet you want more of the same?

The Tories are trashing the economy, so less money for vital public services we need.

Hate speech laws are vital for us all, wanting to remove them is a backward step.

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Why would I vote labour who plan to take this insanity even further? I'm not sticking up for the Tories. At the moment they're shit. Labour are even more shit. Hate speech laws are not necessary. Absolutely not. The law already protects people from harassment without additional laws that pushes authoritarianism and elevates some people's rights way over and above over other people's. Just no. No fucking chance.

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 10:45

So the people who are happy with womens rights being absolutely disregarded and disrespected, with men going into womens on the Tories watch

Who are you voting for if their was a GE now?

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 10:47

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 10:45

So the people who are happy with womens rights being absolutely disregarded and disrespected, with men going into womens on the Tories watch

Who are you voting for if their was a GE now?

Not labour. Hth.

VickyEadieofThigh · 21/10/2022 10:47

SammyScrounge · 19/10/2022 15:06

Cheers, Potniatheron!
If Labour get in, we'll know all about as they legislate for gender ideology. They are consumed by it.

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They are. It eas the first and only thing Anneliese Dodds tweeted about as soon as Truss resigned. There was no 'They've crashed the economy, we'll do it better' from her - she went straight for reforming the GRA, etc.

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 10:47

I feel anyone who would vote Tory is also not doing anything to protect womens rights so can't really be getting on their high horses about labour voters with regards to womens rights ?

Oh and not ALL tories know what a women is, they stood up in and stated the exact opposite

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 10:48

Not labour. Hth.

Right, so who?

KimberleyClark · 21/10/2022 10:54

How could anyone possibly want more of the shite we have been subjected to over the past decade? If the Tories manage to get back in after this we will never be rid of them.

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 10:57

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 10:48

Not labour. Hth.

Right, so who?

Why? What does it matter to you who I decide to vote for? Ive already told you who I won't be voting for. And that's enough.

I'm also not going to tell you who I'm going to vote for in the Tory leadership.

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 10:59

KimberleyClark · 21/10/2022 10:54

How could anyone possibly want more of the shite we have been subjected to over the past decade? If the Tories manage to get back in after this we will never be rid of them.

I would like a complete change of party and a shake up of the whole political system. It's not fit for purpose. But if it continues to be a choice between labour and Tory, and the Tories are blocking labour getting in, then good. That's how shit I think labour are.

KimberleyClark · 21/10/2022 11:03

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 10:59

I would like a complete change of party and a shake up of the whole political system. It's not fit for purpose. But if it continues to be a choice between labour and Tory, and the Tories are blocking labour getting in, then good. That's how shit I think labour are.

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If the Tories get back in we’ll have a government that knows it can get away with literally anything and the electorate won’t punish them. Do you not think that is a cause for concern?

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 11:07

KimberleyClark · 21/10/2022 11:03

If the Tories get back in we’ll have a government that knows it can get away with literally anything and the electorate won’t punish them. Do you not think that is a cause for concern?

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It's all a cause for concern. I'm not happy with the Tories. That unhappiness does not mean I will switch and support labour. I won't. I don't want labour in power.

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 11:12

Why? What does it matter to you who I decide to vote for? Ive already told you who I won't be voting for. And that's enough

But that doesn't form basis for a balanced opinion. It doesn't give your opinion any weight if you just reel off reasons you don't like one party, when you can't explain or give a better alternative ?
If you feel the need to hide who you would vote for, that's up to you, but I think I will draw from that what I need.

I'm also not going to tell you who I'm going to vote for in the Tory leadership
I wouldn't really be that interested in that to be honest.

Sunflower987 · 21/10/2022 11:16

You could say the same for Labour though if you voted for them you are showing them their behaviours and erosion of free speech is acceptable too.

It's an absolute mess and I agree with Jabberwockypie it isn't fit for purpose.
It's extremely unfair on the electorate and disappointing that out of all the capable, knowledgeable humans we have in this country there is noone at the top on either side of the equation fit for purpose in actually running the country.
Extremely depressing.
Some will pick the lesser of the two evils in the next GE.
Some will not vote at all.

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 11:16

If the Tories get back in we’ll have a government that knows it can get away with literally anything and the electorate won’t punish them

It would be a disgrace after the way they conducted themselves and shown such a blatant disregard and contempt they shown for "their" public. But if you are looking at the staunt Tories for change, you are looking in the wrong place I feel.

Cherrytree77 · 21/10/2022 11:21

A thousand times THIS.

I do not understand the GC argument at all, because everything they hate e.g. men in womens prisons, is happening under TORY RULE.

JabberwockyPie · 21/10/2022 11:25

Thinkbiglittleone · 21/10/2022 11:12

Why? What does it matter to you who I decide to vote for? Ive already told you who I won't be voting for. And that's enough

But that doesn't form basis for a balanced opinion. It doesn't give your opinion any weight if you just reel off reasons you don't like one party, when you can't explain or give a better alternative ?
If you feel the need to hide who you would vote for, that's up to you, but I think I will draw from that what I need.

I'm also not going to tell you who I'm going to vote for in the Tory leadership
I wouldn't really be that interested in that to be honest.

If SDP were a viable option I would vote for them.

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