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Will Liz Truss resign today? Part 2: PMQs

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sunnydaytoday0 · 19/10/2022 10:24

Well she's staggered on to PMQs today. Get the popcorn ready.

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akabluebell · 20/10/2022 19:46

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 19:43

Looking down the possible options there's surprising few tories who have served in Cabinet for any length of time.

Badenoch has no chance. Braverman hasn't had much time in office and her performance yesterday was batshit. Mordaunt not much better but rumours are about a joint ticket with Hunt.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is loopy. Steve Baker nuts.

That leaves Matt Hancock, Dominic Raab, Grant Shapps, Greg Hands, Rishi Sunak, Michael Gove, Kwasi Kwarteng, Sajid Javid, Boris Johnson, Ben Wallace and Nadhim Zahawi as serious options. May would be the other but she's not that dumb.

Of those Hancock, Kwarteng and Zahawi are discredited/ arguably not experienced enough. Hands I wouldn't expect to stand.

That leaves Raab, Sunak, Wallace, Johnson, Javid and Gove as viables.

Raab is thick. He won't get enough votes.
Gove has supposedly retired from front line politics.
I still can't see Wallace going for it.

Its genuinely hard to see a serious contender outside Javid, Sunak or Johnson unless someone gets big endorsement from Cabinet or Gove decides its his time....

For a party that's been in power for 12 years there isn't much depth and with so many elections and leaders and May kicking out quality, its more like who is the designated survivor who is capable of doing the job!!!

And the problem is that most of those you name were part of the very toxic tories propping up this and the Johnson government.

We need an election.

AutumnCrow · 20/10/2022 19:46

I don't think Mordaunt will get much past 50 names. I think Graham Brady wants a coronation on Monday.

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 19:49

Would be quite something if the members voted against the MPs' indicative vote of the final two.

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PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 20/10/2022 19:49

Another of Johnson's problems is that he's by no means guaranteed to retain his seat. Obviously that's true of every Tory in Parliament at the moment, but with a majority of only 7k he's more vulnerable than most other contenders (Raab has no chance). They could move him to somewhere safer, but the optics of that are bad.

Blossomtoes · 20/10/2022 19:51

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 19:49

Would be quite something if the members voted against the MPs' indicative vote of the final two.

How can they? They can only vote for one of the MPs’ final two.

LexMitior · 20/10/2022 19:54

Yes. Final two is Sunak and Mordaunt. Membership will get that "choice", which is not a choice.

The membership were greedy and simple minded. They went for Truss. They will be cut out by MPs who want to keep seats.

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 20/10/2022 19:55

There is NO way this will go to the members...

hesbeingabitofadick · 20/10/2022 19:56

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 20/10/2022 19:55

There is NO way this will go to the members...

Quite right.
The electorate cannot be Trusted.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 19:59

Jessica Elgot AT jessicaelgot
By my count tonight, Sunak is leading endorsements with 20, Johnson is on 15, Mordaunt has six.

The Columnist Sime0nStylites
Early day(s) but I’m a little surprised PM doesn’t have more.

I don't know if this will continue, but I think MPs will be incredibly wary of Mordaunt...

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 20:01

Blossomtoes · 20/10/2022 19:51

How can they? They can only vote for one of the MPs’ final two.

The MPs (unlike the last leadership election) are having an 'indicative vote' of the two final people standing.

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Blossomtoes · 20/10/2022 20:04

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 20:01

The MPs (unlike the last leadership election) are having an 'indicative vote' of the two final people standing.

Ah, I see what you meant. Sorry, I had a senile moment then.

Croque · 20/10/2022 20:04

Brady did explain that there may only be one candidate who makes the 100 votes in which case they will be declared the winner regardless of anything else.

hesbeingabitofadick · 20/10/2022 20:05

Croque · 20/10/2022 20:04

Brady did explain that there may only be one candidate who makes the 100 votes in which case they will be declared the winner regardless of anything else.

Thanks - I missed that bit...been a v busy day!

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 20:06

Guido Fawkes has a more up to date spreadsheet:
order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Johnson currently on 38
Sunak on 27
Mordaunt on 12

Johnson has a few whips and the party deputy chair.

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 20:08

Johnson knows he will very likely win with the members, who I'm sure would ignore the indicative vote of MPs if he made the final two.

If he manages to get to the magic 100 he knows he's home and dry..

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RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 20:14

Christopher Hope AT christopherhope
* Exclusive *
Jacob Rees-Mogg is helping to run nascent Boris Johnson campaign, along with long time MP supporter Nigel Adams, MPs say via a reactivated "Back Boris" WhatsApp group.

Katyaadlerscoat · 20/10/2022 20:17

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 20/10/2022 19:55

There is NO way this will go to the members...

I wish I had your confidence.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 20:19

Cat Neilan AT CatNeilan
Some mutterings about whether Boris Johnson can hit the 100 mark but both those in the pro and anti-Boris camps seem fairly convinced he'll sail through.

One supporter says they're "looking to have 50 public tonight".

One critic estimates he gets 💥140 💥 on first ballot

(Just a reminder that Rishi Sunak got to 137 in the final MP round. Truss got 113)

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 20:20

Oh god it's going to happen isn't it

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Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 20:25

Yes it’s going to happen.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 20:25

Christopher Hope AT christopherhope
NEW Conservative MPs are breaking into three groups tonight. They are not mutually exclusive:
BBB - Bring Back Boris
ABS - Anyone But Sunak
ABB - Anyone But Boris

greenhousegal · 20/10/2022 20:26

Honestly, if he does return there is no such thing as democracy anymore.

There really should be an embargo on ousted PMs running for PM again within the lifetime of the Government. Surely?

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 20:27

I mean if we get Boris we get a GE so…

Igotjelly · 20/10/2022 20:27

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 20:27

I mean if we get Boris we get a GE so…

How?

Morceaux · 20/10/2022 20:28

Would be interesting to see how many MPs follow through on their threats to leave the party if Boris does return.

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