Brexit got Britain done

[katmeouws]

Thats it really.

It was a democratic result, but unfortunately it was a totally uninformrd choice, remain did not run a campaign spelling out the disadvantages, all people saw was a bus and the nhs getting millions

And look at how well you guys got that message across. That's why we all voted to stay in...

Kind of irrelevant given we buy in dollars pretty much everything we import and we're still not at parity with the dollar, while the Euro has long since fallen.

Also take a look at what the pound did in 2008. What's your point? It's not Brexit related, doofus.

But if it makes you feel better, I will admit we're imploding slightly faster than France and Germany. Slightly.

I suggest getting better data. The polls have shown consistently for years now that Leave would not win.

Oh hey look, actual data to support my point.

Keep telling yourself that, user1499128287, and you might finally believe it.

Brexit will be the least of our problems with the energy crisis. It was going to happen one way or another, the Ukraine invasion just expedited it a few years.

Prosperity has been turning down in the developed world for the last two decades. You may think things are only shit because of Brexit, but I assure you, it's kinda just shit coloured all over. Most people just didn't notice the precarity.

The dollar making every other currency its proverbial whipping boy is a pretty good reason to be pissed and Europe going along with energy sanctions on Russia despite literally needing that energy to, y'know, have an economy. Whoopsy.

Data doesn't matter. Polls don't matter. Votes matter. I'm sure the data available to David Cameron prior to him calling the referendum said that Remain would win handily, otherwise he never would have had the referendum in the first place.

He was an arse who made a power move that ended with him falling on his face. There's probably a lesson there. Don't be Cameron? Vote Chaos Party with Ed Milibean? I dunno.

Made good out of it, though. I kinda want that shed on wheels thing he wrote his memoirs in, mainly for when I can't afford my mortgage and need to downsize because this economy fucking sucks.

Mark Carney, former governor of the Bank of England, summed up the situation very well:

“Put it this way, in 2016 the British economy was 90 per cent the size of Germany’s. Now it is less than 70 per cent. And that calculation was made before today.”

I wonder how much of that is Leave voters changing their minds though? I would suggest, not much. During the referendum, the UK vote was basically broken up into rough thirds, one third Leave, one third Remain and one third didn't vote. As I understand it, the none voters have mostly moved to Remain, Remain voters have largely stayed put and been joined by younger people coming of age and Leave voters have also largely stayed put but have been dying off in greater numbers than Remainers.

I think a mix of dying off of the older voters and newer ones coming in with a more pro-EU stance, while also getting Bregret coming to the fore as, to the surprise of no one outside Leave, they find there was no singular Brexit vision.

So you basically can’t please anyone and that leads to them saying this was a Bad Idea(TM).

I imagine many will rationalise it as being crap because May messed it up or the Tories deliberately sabotaged their own movement, and if only Farage and UKIP had gotten in…

It seems many think it has been damaging but not that many want to rejoin. I wonder why that is.. maybe just Brexit fatigue and wanting to have closer ties but not go back to remain.

Labour would have to run on it but won’t yet. I’m not sure younger voters will always want to re join as it’ll become history and not something they’ve experienced

I’ll always remember Cameron doing this and then leaving the next day. Probably the most annoyed I’ve been at a politician.

Cameron left because he didn't want Brexit as he spelled out prior to the referendum. When he lost the referendum he effectively lost his mandate.

There has been growth in the developed world, it's just that 100% of it has been sucked up by the super rich. And by the rich, I don't mean the (bottom end of) the 1%, that's £130,000 per year in the UK. So just touching London secondary school heads and hospital consultants with a bit of private work on top. These people are not the problem, they're doing valuable work and are not rich, they're working for a living and haven't seen massive inflation in their standards of living.

The problem is the 0.001%, the super rich, these are the ones who have taken all the money and pushed so many into poverty with their profit hoarding. Now I'm sure somebody will come along and say, yes but these are the wealth creators, driving us forward, society needs them. No they aren't and no we don't. We don't need them, they need us. They need us as workers and consumers and they wouldn't have a penny without us.

Even the Ukrainian war was started by little more that billionaire greed and arrogance.

This. Well said.

Those same people are still being ignored. Things are going to get much worse.

And as for brexit being the least of our problems, I agree, climate change is going to deliver much worse. Anyone else noticed the interesting overlap between Leave voters, climate change deniers and anti vaxxers? Hmm... why could that be I wonder?

And now Truss has quit...
Surely we have to agree the political crisis is due to Brexit - or are we saying she was the best Britain had to offer and there is nothing to see, it's business as usual?

Of course they're still being ignored. None of what was written was the EU's fault. It was the fault of our own MPs.

Now we have to put up the this shambolic, chaotic shower of cunts, but no longer get EU money for workers, communities, infrastructure, children and charities.

Of course, the UK has just been very unlucky to be the only country having to deal with the pandemic and war in Ukraine. This perfectly explains why our economy is shrinking in comparison to others.

The EU is punishing the UK because it can, we need them more than they need us. We will inevitably need closer ties with the EU and our sovereignty will be diluted in exchange for this. It is just a matter of time.

Well exactly. It’s a bit stupid to think the same MPs who have ignored you for years will suddenly pay you more than lip service because you voted for Brexit, when voting for Brexit means less money, energy and time available to devote to anything other than dealing with the massive consequences of leaving a massive trading bloc. Levelling up requires huge amounts of investment and co-ordination focused on just that; and a stable country with a stable economy. Levelling up had an infinitely greater chance of happening in the EU than out of it.

No chance of levelling up now, after years of running down the public sector to the point of near collapse, Brexit, covid, apparently accelerating climate change, and Trussonomics. Generalised chaos and discontent and long term loss of international reputation are more or less inevitable, with no means of escape, as we seem as a country to have been determined to cut off all our own escape routes.

@katmeouws Are you the old guy that was holding the said sign behind the news presenter earlier on? if so you have my vote 🥳

The EU want the Tories to stick to the deal they negotiated and signed. They've moved on. Time for the UK to do the same and stop sabotaging Brexit by not adhering to the agreement made.

As time goes on our ability to strike international trade deals lessens as no one wants to deal with a government that changes its mind and aims with alarming frequency. There's no point.🤷‍♀️

The EU aren't punishing us. The Tory party is in a spiral of Self sabotage.

Of course, the UK has just been very unlucky to be the only country having to deal with the pandemic and war in Ukraine. This perfectly explains why our economy is shrinking in comparison to others.

September 27, 2022
Germany’s economy is on course to suffer the worst contraction in the G20, apart from Russia, and lead the eurozone into a downturn caused by inflation driven by surging energy prices, the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development has warned.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/german-economy-set-to-shrink-by-0-7-as-gas-prices-surge-warns-oecd-l03kg6fnf

October 11, 2022
A forecast by the International Monetary Fund shows Germany and Italy are to tumble into recession next year. Both countries are viewed as the G7 economies that are most exposed to gas supply cuts from Russia.

www.dw.com/en/imf-says-germany-and-italy-to-slip-into-recession-in-2023/a-63405441