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Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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equalstime · 15/10/2022 22:31

People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

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MarshaBradyo · 21/02/2023 09:31

Ok 👍

Still decisions re policy and population growth in each country will still need to be made.

SerendipityJane · 21/02/2023 09:56

MarshaBradyo · 21/02/2023 09:31

Ok 👍

Still decisions re policy and population growth in each country will still need to be made.

Of course.

But if you consider that no civilisation in history has escaped the Malthusian inevitability, perhaps priorities might change. Now we are aware that the climate not only can change (not really sure who is so thick they weren't aware), but is changing in a sub optimal way for h. sapiens as well as polar bears then house prices could be considered a lesser priority.

But, as I have said for over 30 years, there is no point taking it seriously until we elect people who do. Much like dog attacks, gun crime, tax fraud etc etc.

NeedWineNow · 21/02/2023 10:05

ChocFrog · 15/10/2022 22:46

It isn’t racism to be concerned about immigration levels. England is massively overpopulated compared to most other countries and services are at breaking point. You say that the net figures are “no doubt reasonable” but the problem is, they aren’t.

It isn’t racism to think that asylum seekers should claim asylum in the first safe country. That is what they are supposed to do. Travelling onward is no longer asylum seeking, it’s economic migration.

I live in Kent, we’ve had 22,000 migrants delivered to Kent’s beaches so far this year by people smugglers - and that’s just the ones who were caught. All of them need housing and food. All of the support network is full so some unaccompanied children are being placed in hotels - from where many go missing. (Your guess is as good as mine who takes children that no one is watching.)

Labelling concerns about this racist is unhelpful and inaccurate.

This post sums up my feelings perfectly.

MarshaBradyo · 21/02/2023 10:07

SerendipityJane · 21/02/2023 09:56

Of course.

But if you consider that no civilisation in history has escaped the Malthusian inevitability, perhaps priorities might change. Now we are aware that the climate not only can change (not really sure who is so thick they weren't aware), but is changing in a sub optimal way for h. sapiens as well as polar bears then house prices could be considered a lesser priority.

But, as I have said for over 30 years, there is no point taking it seriously until we elect people who do. Much like dog attacks, gun crime, tax fraud etc etc.

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I haven’t read the link but I think we’re saying similar things. Well maybe not, but for me climate change is a huge factor in what we do next.

We’ve always seen growth as a positive and population as part of that but maybe that needs to shift. If pp are saying we cannot reduce numbers because ageing etc who does and in which year?

And if we don’t then those things listed below eg war are probably more likely to do it for us as resources become more scarce

Mascia · 21/02/2023 11:32

NeedWineNow · 21/02/2023 10:05

This post sums up my feelings perfectly.

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It isn’t racism to think that asylum seekers should claim asylum in the first safe country. That is what they are supposed to do. Travelling onward is no longer asylum seeking, it’s economic migration.

True, but there also needs to be a solution for those „first safe countries“, otherwise they’ll quickly become overwhelmed. Not sure how it could be managed best…

SerendipityJane · 21/02/2023 13:22

for me climate change is a huge factor in what we do next.

That's the other end of the candle we are burning. Exponentially removing resources from nature.

Xenia · 23/02/2023 20:59

A lot of people for whom the mass immigration into the UK has had no impact on their lives seem to take one view and the people affected another. I am not sure if we can each understand each other but threads like this do help.

Someone asked above where I got UK immigration now at 1m a year (500k net immigration) www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/24/uk-net-migration-figures-record-ons
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/25/one-million-uk-visas-issued-year-migration-hits-new-high/

I also don't agree that it is great news because there are then fewer old people per person as sometimes relatives also come over - that is definitely the case with the older people around where I live.

Climate change is doing to mean a need for more border controls even if people have a very good reason to come here either for work or due to dangers at home. It is probably time we started to take some tough decisions and change the law.

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