Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

The dissatisfaction within the Care sector around wages does not, it might surprise you, come from UK workers alone - non UK nationals employed by agencies and Care companies are all impacted by the cost of living and Care is becoming increasingly unionised.

In the meantime, I am welcoming colleagues that plug a huge gap that will never be filled by UK workers (even if our wages significantly went up). For a lot of Brits, the job is too physically and emotionally demanding. Brits do not look after themselves - fact - IDGAF whether people slate me or not for this. I work with some fantastic English people but there is too much whining, bitching and avoidance of work as well - I am fed up with covering shifts for people who have a shit ton of relationship issues, cocaine habits, drink habits, don’t eat properly, can’t be arsed etc etc - sorry to rant.

I am a Labour voter btw.

You are correct.

If we don't do something about stemming the tide of extra people then we will have civil disobedience.
It is already starting in some areas - thelincolnite.co.uk/2023/02/veterans-before-illegals-protestors-to-march-through-skegness/

Sone people do argue for this ridiculous position...

We NEED talented migrants.

Local hospitals have cancelled operation lists /closed wards as they have lost so many staff post brexit.

My ancestors were Saxon farmers living in Yorkshire, maybe I should put a claim in to the French because the Normans stole our lands and murdered many of our people?
( I've just got to decide if I want the compensation paid in Euros or £s ) 🤔

Yeah because the colonies were all ancient history weren't they? It's totally not true that many only got independence within our (or our parents) lifetimes.
Not remotely a good comparison.

Are people who hold that view OK with all other countries having similar rules, so no Brits should be allowed to migrate to Canada, USA, Australia, Europe, Dubai etc in search of a better life?

Should no one be allowed to marry and settle here if they fell in love with a non-Brit? Where should a Brit live if maaried to a Jordanian or a Norwegian? What if those countries didn't allow a UK citizen to settle there?

We may be a small island but we are part of a big planet.

No.

The country has been absorbing huge numbers of immigrants for decades now, with consequent negative impacts on housing - availability and prices, service provision etc.

Many are from countries with far lower population densities and without any particular problems such as wars.

It wasn't posted as a comparison - it was posted tongue-in-cheek to show how spurious such arguments are.

I'm sorry you didn't get the satire.

I agree it is just not sustainable.

The government expects about 300,000 people to come to the UK over five years on a new path to citizenship that will - from 31 January 2021 - be available to more than five million people in Hong Kong (nearly three-quarters of the territory’s population). This summarises the government’s methodology in making its estimates, which have a very broad range. The lower limit of their projection is 5,000 in five years and the upper limit is over a million people during that period. Another anecdotal and informal estimate suggests as many as two million people may come by 2026.

^ If that doesn't scare you, then it should.

Oh I got the satire. It's just not funny. Why shouldn't people expect us to make good on the shit show that was colonialism?

@Kabalagala Four of my great great grandparents were from Ireland, left due to the situation there which were caused by the English rule. Should I get reparations? My husbands family left their home country due the nazis. Should he be payed repetitions? They are not Jewish but were politically persecuted. Where does it end. People have been displacing people and colonising them for the history of the human race. There are 1.4 billion people in India. Do they all now have a right to move to the U.K. due to an England landing in India in 1608?

I mean … you can’t just emigrate wherever you want as a Brit. And you can’t just go because it’s convenient for you — you have to prove you’ll be a net asset to the country, not a drain, to get a visa

What do you want to see in practice as a result? Eg numbers and passport / visas

Don’t most countries have similar rules? Can a Brit just rock up in Australia and settle there? A British friend of mine married an American woman - he still had to apply for the green card if I remember correctly.
Canada‘s immigration laws are also quite strict as far as I know.
Plus, for most people it’s not about X never being allowed to immigrate into country Y, it’s about controlled immigration.

I'm not suggesting open borders is a solution. But we shouldn't be surprised that people want to come here.
There's a lot more we could be doing to limit the ongoing damage that might reduce the numbers of people wanting to leave their home countries though.

I think out interventionist policies in other countries are a massive problem. I don’t support the U.K. giving arms to Ukraine, think we should be less involved in Syria and other Arab nations and would never vote labour due to Afghanistan and Iraq. However, I do not support the mass immigration In this country. My sil is from a developing nation. Her and my brother spend thousands getting her visa. She now works as a nurse. A strong immigration policy for essential workers and visa’s is important. Support for refugees such as the Ukrainian scheme and the gong king scheme I support. But a free for all of low skilled people with no desire to interstate, or men from safe countries entering on boats, or people with hostile attitudes to this country should be stopped. We could end up with a Sweden situation in the next five years here if we are not careful.

If you want low immigration then you need to support schemes that result in much cheaper housing so british born citizens can actually start families and support the woefully ageing population. If you don't care about that and enjoy seeing your house go up in price exponentially then well done: you're part of the problem you complain about.

Not read the thread so I expect there’s people disagreeing with it now. But yes this sums it up.

The UK has an ageing population and a birthrate of 1.56. Non-immigration population growth has come from people living longer, not from having babies. It's a huge problem in the pipeline.

I'd be interested to know how supporters of zero immigration would suggest we deal with this.

They'll say it's chicken and egg: less immigration = more freed up public services. Doesn't actually solve the ageing crisis at all, but that'll be the logic.

Yes do these mythical Peter Pan immigrants never get old or are they expected to bugger off once they have stopped being useful and need care themselves? These are people that will need housing, need education, health care and will end up needing pensions too. All these things cost a great deal and unless they are making over 38k a year they will be costing the public purse more then they will be contributing in tax.

I just hope you don't expect them to be moved from Kent. If that's where they reached the country, that's where they should stay.

This is fine though if immigration brings in young working people who then get old, as long as the potential support ratio stays reasonably steady. At the moment there are 3.4 working age adults in the UK for every person 65+- that is, 3.4 working people to fund the healthcare, pension etc of each elderly person. Stop immigration without increasing the birth rate and you very quickly end up with a much lower number of workers to retired age. It's a huge problem- look at Japan.

British citizens do not have an automatic right to live in any of those countries.

In all cases, they would need to satisfy immigration requirements, which are pretty strict in at least some of the nations you mention.

I don't see Japan as a country with big issues caused by lack of immigration. I think it is content with its elderly population and fewer people, even if that means less money.