Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

Beecham · 15/10/2022 23:04
We desperately need immigration to keep essential services running and to pay taxes. Falling birth rates combined with an ageing population is not good. All those state pensions, all that NHS healthcare, all that state funded elderly care - we need taxes to pay for all that. Who's going to pay if birth rates are falling?? We need loads and loads of young people from wherever we can get them.

As for the channel asylum seekers - quite frankly if you've managed to travel here from half way across the globe from a war torn country, then good on you!! You are likely to be a very resourceful and dynamic person, which is exactly what the economy needs!“

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All countries should be looking to reduce their population. It's by far he best way to reduce pollution and slow global warming.

As for the channel asylum seekers - quite frankly if you've managed to travel here from half way across the globe from a war torn country, then good on you!! You are likely to be a very resourceful and dynamic person, which is exactly what the economy needs!“

Except most of them haven't 🙄

The idea western countries keep growing for taxes and aging has difficulty as those lifestyles tend to pollute more

Considering the threatened electricity shortages maybe we should look seriously at how many people are here and what levels of infrastructure we need.

In my experience, immigration concern is intrinsically connected with racism.

In the main, yes.

What fucking rubbish.

This sounds like projection and I don’t agree

People have various concerns over immigration but mostly some is seem as more beneficial and it’s not related to race

every town has groups in the town centres smoking swearing ,brand new everything,aggressive to locals,sexually threatening to females

That‘s sadly the case in our town. I’m an immigrant myself and have several friends who are, but they all agree that ignoring certain issues isn’t helping anyone.
I think there are many people who genuinely want to work and integrate - they are a great asset to the society. But migration is a complex issue and the debate tends to be dominated by extreme views on both sides - in reality, immigrants are neither all criminals nor all highly skilled professionals.

Some are eager to integrate, some aren’t.

Large numbers of people moving into a certain area will have an effect on that area and on the locals - it might be a positive effect, but when it’s negative, people should be able to voice their concerns.
As someone else on this thread said, wanting zero immigration is probably not exactly racist, because it would also include white migrants from other Western countries. Xenophobic, yes, but racist?
I‘m also not sure many people would demand zero migration - mostly it’s limited/ regulated immigration they‘re asking for.

So do I

Those who want zero immigration are mainly deluded and very probably racist. We need immigration, In simple terms, we have have an gaining population and we aren't having enough babies. I think there was a lot of racism and xenophobia behind the Brexit vote too.

The simple answer is that all from wherever don't enter/ stay unless they have money to self support, housing, health insurance, Schooling insurance and no recourse to public funds until a qualifying period of tax payments is completed. Companies who need them could provide as part of the employment package.

It's not racist to say concerns are apparent. It would be racist if it only applied to certain races.
Asylum needs sorting, so genuine cases are heard in the first safe country and transport to safety available.

Anyone else then would be an economic migrant and subject to removal unless they can self support.

The irony of brexit was that the frothers thought that immigration would stop. It did for some, but they were the white European types rather than the brown types that the racist ones thought would be stopped. thinking of DM and her husband

You’re racist if you call a black/brown/yellow person non-British/immigrant when they were born here and raised here.

In my opinion

No we're fucked because we have an aging population, have decided that house prices need to constantly go up so don't build social housing, or enough low cost properties, under tax the rich, and poorly treat the people we need the most to keep the country running well (teachers, nurses, carers etc)

You literally quote rhe reasons why people do not want Immigration, so why are you asking If it is racist?

I don’t think it’s necessarily racism, though it may well be. We have a dire shortage of decent, affordable housing in the U.K., especially in the SE, so I dare say this is one reason people get pissed off. Not to mention dire shortages of doctors, nurses, NHS dentists, and places at good schools.

That has very little to do with immigration and a lot to do with our choices of government for 40 years. Something you can't blame on immigration since - get this - very few immigrants can vote.

At this point in the game, we are simply cashing in the goose that laid the golden eggs. Let's hope we get a good price for it. Although I suspect the reality is we've already eaten the magic beans.

Of course it has to do with immigration. The houses that immigrants live in would have native Britons living in them were it not for immigration.

I'm not against immigration, I just think there has been far too much over the last 25 years or so. Employers have been able to use it to lower wages and working conditions, and the housing market and public services have been stretched to the limit. Yes people will pay that we should pay more taxes to have better public services, but we wouldn't need to if we had lower immigration (and the public sector was run properly, which it isn't).

@SerendipityJane , but the fact remains that there is not enough decent, affordable housing for those people - including immigrants - who are already here.

If we’re not going to benefit from FOM imo we need to benefit from a better immigration system. Learn from countries that tackled it earlier on.

We seem to be in no man’s land atm with both sides unhappy. It’ll probably take time but we need to move one way or the other

Zero immigration is one of the most stupid, unintelligent stances there is. Our country would essentially collapse in 50 years, if not less if we had zero immigration.

Basically immigration is an extremely fine balance but we're very much at the point in the UK where the country needs enough to top up our birth rate to replacement levels to keep our population pretty stable but no more or less.

In the 10 years 2010-2019 net migration into the UK was 2.52m, which is the largest contribution to total population increase of 4.3m. During the same period the UK's total housing stock increased by 1.57m. Unless housebuilding increases significantly then immigration at current levels is not sustainable.