Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

So what do we do with these old white people? Do we need a cull based on colour (seemingly only one though) and age? We have the people we need, the problem is that they all work in McDonalds with Media Studies, Performing Arts type degrees because the country looks down on people who do manual type jobs.

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions -

"They have left." Is that true? I'd need to see the details on that to be sure.

I agree with your analysis of Tory Governments' attitudes - it's yet another thing on which they face both ways - they maintain they wish to reduce immigration and even set targets (which they never hit), whilst at the same time taking no effective action at all.

No, they’re not necessarily racist if their concern is about that he numbers of people using finite resources such as housing, hospitals, healthcare etc.

What they are is ignorant of economics.

The settled populations are getting older and there’s a labour shortage so we need young immigrants to come and fill the jobs and pay the taxes.

If you want to get angry because you can't get a GP appointment, I would suggest you get angry with the government who have just cut medical school places by 25%.
Or you cut just continue blame immigrants, who just happen to also make up , what was it, 20% of our doctors?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62594141

This. Well articulated.

My immigrant mother has gone off on anti-immigrant rants to me. I put it down to the Daily Mail, selfishness and not being very clever.

Or just blame the mass building of houses and no extra doctors surgery's, schools, leisure areas. That's what we should be asking for. It's not racist. It's just people are seeing a decline in services.

So it's just old WHITE people that are a burden? Better kill me then.

Not all immigrants are equal. I am a dad of an immigrant and am not white. As a landlord I'm currently renting out a property to a married couple of newly arrived surgeons from Pakistan. I am 109% certain they did not arrive on a boat from Calais.

When advertising another vacant property I had over 75 applicants and many of them were newly arrived from Nigeria/Ghana working here in social care. I was really annoyed that the Govt. had invited them over here, I suspect filling the vacancies left by the E Europeans, however they were not informed about the difficulties in renting property in the SE. They had jobs but were sleeping on friends sofas as they couldn't find anywhere to live.

I am sure you agree the above mentioned are welcomed here with open arms.

Then there are the boat people from Calais, a lot from Albania, so not all brown as many people think.

Incidentally a friend of mine went to help out at a refugee camp in Greece a few years ago when war in Syria broke out. She was surprised to find that it was mainly Moroccans there and not Syrians. She wanted to help fleeing Syrians but instead was helping Moroccan men.

Then there are people from the EU, ex tenants of mine from Poland and Romania worked their butts off and took advantage of every job opportunity available and have gone on the buy their own homes in London outskirts. Good on them I say.

And then there are the Roma families who live near me and drink alcohol on the bench in the streets during the day and don't appear to work.

Immigration is very complex. I'm all for people coming here to take advantage of the opportunities that their home country can't give them. But as for the ones who come and milk it just for benefits. Well... however would I do the same if I were them?

Btw I also volunteer with Ukrainian refugees helping them with their English. I see a lot of immigration in my day to day life. Most of it positive.

@MooseBreath the thing is being in the EU meant anyone unskilled could come here and have a low paid job and top up with benefits. That meant millions of people came in a relatively short space of time.There will be many that had high skilled jobs that were needed but many more that were low skilled. That’s what a lot of people objected to. Many could come here take a low paid job and claim benefits after being here 5 minutes and not paying in. If you come from outside the EU you go through the correct channels of having a visa ect. That is the correct system and how you get in only the people needed. That’s what most countries do.

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To clarify I was/ am annoyed the govt. hasn't provided any housing help for the newly arrived social care/hideously workers. They desperately need homes for their families but they are very scarce on the ground. If the UK is going to invite workers here we need to have accommodation for them. It's a basic need.

I don't recall immigration ever being such a toxic or hot issue prior to Blair's immigration policy when he /whoever massively miscalculated how many people would want to come here from Eastern Europe?

How it happened, i'e so suddenly and in such huge numbers caused many areas of our infrastructure unbelievably strain.

It's a shame because it tainted the whole discussion.
Proper controlled immigration benefits everyone including the migrants.

Blair didn't miscalculate anything, He knew full well that far more people would come here than his "official figures" stated. He wanted it to happen, to, and I quote, "rub the rights noses in diversity".

Immigration should be restricted to the absolute highest skilled people, in very low numbers (double figures). There is absolutely no need for mass unskilled immigration. Let employers pay wages that British people will do the job for. You can't keep increasing the population ad infinitum, we are a small island and eventually there will be no more room. Increasing immigration is just kicking the can down the road for future generations to deal with.

We have the people we need, the problem is that they all work in McDonalds with Media Studies, Performing Arts type degrees because the country looks down on people who do manual type jobs.

Which is ironic when you consider that the average salary for a tradesman has been £10k higher than that of a graduate for the past decade (£45k vs £35k).

There's an interesting issue with diversity as it appears that more diverse countries, and the richer ones, have generally less happy populations.

So if you are a western nation, it looks like your population like a more homogeneous country than a diverse one.

The more diverse a country, the less social cohesion and the less wellbeing. This issue is not much discussed because economically, migration is pretty good for business and regulating wages. This is why absolutely nada has been done about the Tories. They like it, despite the dog whistle stuff about limiting it.

My goodness, what a well thought out post. Saying something and nothing, at the same time.

Their comment is both ageist and racist. Quite disgusting, but as they are being derogatory towards white people, they have no shame. White people are now the battering ram.

What is this... The Tories are going down the polls and there's a desperate need to rekindle the immigration topic?
It's always a winner for them that one, isn't it.

Lykia- you’re right - it’s VERY complex and I wish your post could be pinned.

I still shake my head at the Pakistani surgeons though. Doesn’t Pakistan need surgeons? See all the while we have (usually there left) saying immigration is wonderful/you’re gammon - or equivalent.

yet when you steal surgeons away from impoverished areas - who’s going to help that woman in rural Pakistan with a ruptured ovary?

“I’m alright Jack”

I want people to stop overlooking the fact we (the UK) are stealing medical staff from countries who will in turn suffer from this loss.

globalisation is complex.

But unless that rural village in Pakistan pays as well of they're going to come here.

@Whippetlovely I understand that. I was under the impression though, that benefits could only be claimed for a small amount of time before the EU member had to leave the UK. I am not sure of this though, it is purely hearsay.

I am not from the EU. I have followed intense visa protocols and scrutiny to be able to live in the UK, like millions of other immigrants. My argument is that in a low wage economy like the UK, many of the jobs desperately needed (teachers, nurses, carers, etc.) are not paid highly enough to meet the financial threshold for immigrants wanting to come to the UK on a Work Visa.

A person is racist if they judge another persons worth based on the colour of their skin.

Their views on immigration do not really come into it.

The fact that the two issues are linked at all is down to left wing politics which - being intellectually vacuous - can offer nothing but defamatory accusations against those who disagree with them.

The 'it's too crowded' argument.

Fine- just spare a thought for the crowded, poor countries elsewhere getting the brunt of climate change due to fossil fuel burning by this rich countries like this one.

I think many people are afraid to say what they think for fear of being accused of being racist. I also think most people in the UK welcome immigrants who add to society. I meet alot of immigrants through my work. Most are a benefit to to the UK and work hard and bring much needed skills. However there is also a significant proportion who sit with their hand out for years. Never working, never contributing or learning English, living off benefits. We need a more selective immigration system to prevent this. We also need to know who is coming into our country.

The rules seem to say that if you secure a teaching job, at the lowest end of the national pay scales or above, then you could be eligible for a visa to come here. Similar for a care worker.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/teach-in-england-if-you-qualified-outside-the-uk/teach-in-england-if-you-qualified-outside-the-uk